I believe it's just:
Fusing on the +/-
disconnects break both + and -
Need your modules to use PV wire
labeling per 690.35(F)

Square D discos are UL'd for ungrounded systems- and I just noticed that there's a June 2010 revision of the Square D disconnect guide. A bit of clarification since the 9/09 edition I had.
http://ecatalog.squared.com/pubs/Electrical%20Distribution/Safety%20Switches/Solar%20Disconnect%20Switches/3110DB0401.pdf

August Goers wrote:
Hi Bill and Wrenches -

For ungrounded arrays what specific fusing and or DC disconnect
requirements are needed compared to grounded arrays?

I'm trying to sort through the code but nothing is popping out at me
besides what was already mentioned about needing to disconnect both the
positive and negative lines on the DC side. In SMA's case I'm guessing
that their new transformerless inverters with integrated DC disconnects
and fuses may already take of all the requirements?

Best,

August

August Goers

Luminalt Energy Corporation

1320 Potrero Avenue

San Francisco, CA 94110

m: 415.559.1525

o: 415.641.4000

[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Bill
Brooks
*Sent:* Friday, October 01, 2010 8:29 AM
*To:* 'RE-wrenches'
*Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Tranformless inverter

All,

Transformerless inverters are simply a subset of ungrounded or
resistively grounded PV systems covered by the NEC in 690.35 since the
2005 code cycle. Power-One has been marketing their ungrounded inverter
in the U.S. for several years now. It was listed by CSA. The
requirements for ungrounded systems in 690.35 are as follows:

•“Photovoltaic power systems shall be permitted to operate with
ungrounded photovoltaic source and output circuits where the system
complies with 690.35(A) through 690.35(G).

−*(A) Disconnects. *All photovoltaic source and output circuit
conductors shall have disconnects complying with 690, Part III.

−*(B) Overcurrent Protection. *All photovoltaic source and output
circuit conductors shall have overcurrent protection complying with 690.9.

−*(C) Ground-Fault Protection. *All photovoltaic source and output
circuits shall be provided with a ground-fault protection device or
system that complies with (1) through (3):

•(1) Detects a ground fault.

•(2) Indicates that a ground fault has occurred

•(3) Automatically disconnects all conductors or causes the inverter or
charge controller connected to the faulted circuit to automatically
cease supplying power to output circuits.

−*(D) *The photovoltaic source and output conductors shall consist of
the following:

−(1) Nonmetallic jacketed multiconductor cables

−(2) Conductors installed in raceways, or

−(3) Conductors listed and identified as Photovoltaic (PV) Wire
installed as exposed, single conductors.

−*(E) *The photovoltaic power system direct-current circuits shall be
permitted to be used with ungrounded battery systems complying with
690.71(G).

−*(F) *The photovoltaic power source shall be labeled with the following
warning at each junction box, combiner box, disconnect, and device where
the ungrounded circuits may be exposed during service:

WARNING

ELECTRIC SHOCK HAZARD

THE DC CIRCUIT CONDUCTORS OF THIS

PHOTOVOLTAIC POWER SYSTEM ARE

UNGROUNDED AND MAY BE ENERGIZED

WITH RESPECT TO GROUND DUE TO

LEAKAGE PATHS AND/OR GROUND FAULTS.

−*(G) *The inverters or charge controllers used in systems with
ungrounded photovoltaic source and output circuits shall be listed for
the purpose.

We now have several products newly on the market to include on the list
such as the SMA and Exeltech products. Ungrounding the array requires
additional fusing and disconnects, but the most significant difference
is that the module wiring and all external cable must be PV Wire/Cable.
Therefore only modules with PV Wire/Cable can be used in these systems.
You must confirm from the manufacturer that they have made the switch.
Hopefully all manufacturers will be installing PV Wire/Cable soon so
that this will not be a problem anymore.

It is a good call to use up your USE-2 and order PV Wire/Cable from now on.

Bill.

*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Exeltech
*Sent:* Friday, October 01, 2010 6:39 AM
*To:* RE-wrenches
*Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Tranformless inverter

Transformerless grid-tie inverters are permitted under the National
Electric Code as of 2008. The Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratories
(UL, ETL/Intertek, CSA, etc.) took a while to develop the testing
procedures for testing to UL1741, which was the basis for most of the delay.

SMA isn't the only company with transformerless grid-tie inverters. I
know of one American manufacturer with transformerless models on the
market as well.

Transformerless inverters are smaller, much lighter, and tend to be more
efficient than transformer-based units. No transformer also means lower
product cost, and less shipping expense. Win-win-win.


Dan


--- On *Fri, 10/1/10, Drake /<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>/* wrote:


From: Drake <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Tranformless inverter
To: "RE-wrenches" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 6:58 AM

I also received this advertisement. Previously I had investigated the
smaller SMA transformerless inverters, and was told that this type would
not be allowed in the US until the 2011 code. Has the ban been lifted?



At 12:52 AM 9/29/2010, you wrote:

Wrenches:

I received an advertisement from a distributor that SMA is now shipping
8, 9 and 10 KW transformerless inverters. Don't these require double
insulated PV wiring and no connection to ground on the AC side? It's
been too long since this subject last crossed my desk and I want to
refresh my memory on the specifics.

William Miller


_Please note new e-mail address and domain:

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Miller Solar
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