Mark,

Separately derived is defined in article 100. Basically, a separately derived system has no common conductors other than possibly equipment ground.

By the definition in article 100 the feeder from the house may be a separately derived system at the shop. It may not be if the house and shop are feed off of the same transformer because the two systems would both have a neutral connection at the transformer.

The ac output of a grid interactive inverter with no batteries cannot be a separately derived system because it connects to conductors on the premises.

There must be an equipment ground with the inverter output wires (feeder between house and shop). And the equipment ground needs to connect to the grounding system at both buildings. That does make a connection between the two grounding systems - just as happens whenever a feeder is run from a house to an outbuilding.

Kent Osterberg
Blue Mountain Solar





Mark Frye wrote:
Thanks Ken,
 
I still don't see any configuration of equipment that would not involve making an electrical connection between the two grounding systems of the two seperate dwellings
 
In order to provide the required GFP for the PV modules, it seems both inverters would have to mounted on the shop.
 
If I put all modules, and both inverters on the shop and run a feeder (?) from one of the inverters back to the house, could I get away with not running a equipment ground conductor along with the inverter output circuit conductors? If I do run an EGC then it will connect the two grounding systems.
 
I guess 230 does allow multiple service on a single dwelling where justified by the size of the building. Perhaps one could, by bonding the grounding systems of house and the shop, argue that they basically constitute one large dwelling.
 
The questions keep mounting up. 250 allows bonding the groundingstem of multiple seperately derived systems, but could we construe a utility service to one dwelling as a seperately derived system relative to another dwelling with it's own service? Where can one find the definition of a "seperately derived system" in the Code?
 
Mark Frye
Berkeley Solar Electric Systems
303 Redbud Way
Nevada City,  CA 95959
(530) 401-8024
www.berkeleysolar.com 
 


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kent Osterberg
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 7:58 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Two Buildings, Two Services, One Roof

Mark,

NEC 230.2(A) specifically allows two services for parallel power production sources. While a feeder from the house is technically not the same as a service, it should be allowed provided that there is a disconnect grouped with the main service disconnect. A discussion with the inspector ahead of time should make this work smoothly.

Kent Osterberg
Blue Mountain Solar


Mark Frye wrote:
Thanks Nick,
 
250 talks about two seperate buildings with one service, and 230 talks about one building with two services.
 
I don't think this particular situation has been contempated by the Code.
 
How big a deal would it be to just bond the two ground electrode systems together and go along my merry way?

Mark Frye
Berkeley Solar Electric Systems
303 Redbud Way
Nevada City,  CA 95959
(530) 401-8024
www.berkeleysolar.com 

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