Todd,
Yes on all points. Why back up the whole house? The residence is a remodeled traditional New Mexico adobe and the property is fully landscaped; the original meter and service was moved out to a new location and the home's breaker panel location was on an exterior wall around which concrete was poured for a patio. The home has none of the killer electric loads (cooking, water heating, etc.) to make the whole-house option a poor choice.

We too normally separate out essential loads from nonessential, but that isn't an option here. Thus the separation can't serve to alert the customer of an outage. The battery-powered light, or an audible alarm out by the road, were the solutions that I though of, but I was hoping for a more imaginative solution.

Incidentally, your comment about an amp-hour meter brings another question: a traditional amp-hour meter, like a TriMetric 2020,doesn't work well in GTWB situations, as the charged parameters are seldom met absent a grid outage, and thus the charge efficiency error can accumulate over time and lead to false readings. What do you use, Todd, or if you use a traditional amp-hour meter, how do you program it to fool it into maintaining accuracy in a system that always sits in float?
Allan

Allan Sindelar
[email protected]
NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer
NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional
New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician
Founder and Chief Technology Officer
Positive Energy, Inc.
3209 Richards Lane (note new address)
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507
505 424-1112
www.positiveenergysolar.com



On 8/9/2012 10:02 AM, [email protected] wrote:

99% of the grid-ties i do incorporate battery backup. when i am wiring a system into a house, i usually put the amp hour meter in the kitchen and only wire essential back up loads (water pump, communication, refrigeration & basic lighting) into the system. this design alerts the customer of when the grid is down and they need to go into 'conserve mode', and also eliminates power robbing waste.

 

i am not sure why your customer would want to have the whole house backed up? i try to leave a  couple of non essential, but noticeable circuits as 'grid only'. if the house is already wired and changing a circuit is not possible, you will need to somehow access a grid only circuit (the ac input to the inverter) and put some kind of alarm on it. hardware stores sell battery powered lights that come on when the power is off. one of these could be modified with a sonalert (or other audible alarm) which would come on to notify the customer to change their behavior.

 

todd

 

 

 

On Thursday, August 9, 2012 8:18am, "Allan Sindelar" <[email protected]> said:

Wrenches,
For a grid-tied-with-backup system that is still in the design stage, we have a customer request for a signal to let them know when an outage occurs and they are running on backup power, so that they may turn off unnecessary loads and "go into backup consciousness". The problem is that the entire home would be on backup, with the GTWB system tied into a meter and main disconnect location away from the home, rather than the more typical main panel/subpanel approach at the home. Any relay-based alarm based on loss of grid AC would not likely trigger, as the switchover is too quick. Any ideas for simple solutions, please?
Allan
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Allan Sindelar
[email protected]
NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer
NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional
New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician
Founder and Chief Technology Officer
Positive Energy, Inc.
3209 Richards Lane (note new address)
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507
505 424-1112
www.positiveenergysolar.com






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