It just takes a bit longer to respond because of the steep Lion curve. It
will respond in a minute or 2. It does not affect capacity at all. Just a
bit different than LA.  --Dave


Dave Starlight Solar Power SystemsDave
> Hello Darryl,
>
> Quote "You must be careful of LI because if you are floating, the voltage
> drops so little your CC will not
> necessarily pick-up.”
>
> We have sold hundreds of Li-ion batteries over the last 4 years. No one
> has had a problem with a PV solar charge controller or battery charger
> providing current when a load is applied. If the battery voltage is at
> equilibrium with the charger, float mode and current basically zero, the
> slightest load will be directed to the charge source as it attempts to
> maintain voltage.
>
> Hey Jay,
>
> We sell Relion with cylindrical cells and prismatic cells from Elite Power
> Solutions (GBS) and LiFeBlue Battery. We have never had a cell failure
> with any battery yet so as for cell quality, all brands are working well.
> The problems we have had are always with the EMS systems.
>
> My thoughts comparing the two battery types are one type has fewer points
> of failure. In a 100AH 12 volt pack using cylindrical cells, you have many
> dozens of batteries and connections compared to 4 to 16 prismatic cells. I
> know Tesla cars have worked extremely well with 7000+ cylindrical cells
> but he has spent millions making it work. In the Li battery market we are
> involved with, I’m not so sure the manufacturers have provided the same
> level of QC.
>
> Larry Crutcher
> Starlight Solar Power Systems
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Darryl Thayer <darylsol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have only limited experience with Lithium batteries.  But in that
> experience, a module of small cylindrical cells will have a higher power,
> faster charge, and discharge.  For the same chemistry, the prism cells
> will
> have a little higher energy density.  For long cycle life and slow aging,
> the differences in battery additives meaning the manufacturer are
> paramount.  In using Li-ion there are a few tricks.  The voltage is very
> stable, so you can not use voltage for the state of charge. For LA you
> will
> float 13.4 forever, then when you draw power, the voltage drops.  even at
> low draw, the voltage drops to the 12.6 range.  You must be careful of LI
> because if you are floating, the voltage drops so little your CC will not
> necessarily pick-up.  Some manufacturers give you instruction via mod bus
> or some form of communication. So ask your CC supplier and your battery
> people good luck some do not even understand their own equipment.
>
> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 10:16 AM, jay <jay.pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> To follow along with the lithium questions,
>>
>> I’m wondering what thoughts/information people have on prismatic vs
>> cylindrical lithium family batteries?
>>
>> My questions are quality,cycle life, pros/cons,recycling?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> jay
>
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