Hey Dave, Sorry for the delay to your question on the ASCO. Yes the 185 is the one I use either with a service entrance rated CB or without. You can adjust time so in a power outage the transfer is less than 2 seconds. Have had zero issues since switching to them over 10 years ago.
Christopher On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 12:17 PM Jason Szumlanski < [email protected]> wrote: > I'll let you all know once we sort this out. > > A series of blade type disconnects could work. I'm not doing the AC > distribution past the inverters, but I need to consult with the electrical > contractor so I'm driving the bus at this point. Some combination of manual > and automated controls should work. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:10 PM Jay <[email protected]> wrote: > >> We don’t know how you have the AC distribution set up. >> >> If you have a main that then distributes to sub panels, how about relays >> on delay timers that go to each sub. 3-5 seconds would be more than enough. >> >> Or mechanical discos with simple instructions of delay between each. >> But yea people have to read and comprehend and it’s probably dark so >> maybe the delay timers. >> >> Let us know what you end up using >> >> Jay >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 12, 2019, at 3:04 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Jason, any chance of one of the "help" being made knowledgeable to manage >> this? In a way this is what I do for my offgrid clients. If they won't, I >> walk away because it is just to complicated at this stage in RE. Hoping it >> will change! >> >> I get them up to speed on managing loads and understanding what is going >> on with the power. This saves me from the headache. Explain that it can >> save them quite a bit of money also. I do not envy you and income is >> important. Good Luck! >> >> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar >> "we go where powerlines don't" >> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ <http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/> >> e-mail [email protected] <[email protected]> >> text 209 813 0060* >> >> On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 17:39:13 -0400, Jason Szumlanski < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> I definitely understand that I can't prevent it 100%, but I can surely >> mitigate the likelihood. It's highly unlikely that all 10 refrigerators >> will all start simultaneously based on temperature with the well pump and >> two air conditioners except when power is first applied. Moreso than the >> ATS changeover, I'm concerned about scenarios where everything is >> completely off at the property and the inverter breakers are flipped on. >> Then I'm essentially guaranteed I'll have 15 motors all trying to start at >> the same time. I'm planning 27-32kW of capacity, which may well be enough >> depending on how gentle the HVAC units start, but I want to have a strategy >> in case things don't go as planned. >> >> I was thinking that the ATS would be a good strategy to trigger time >> delays because it would be implemented whether it was a startup from no >> power source or during power source transfer. >> >> The challenge here is that more than half of these loads will be used >> maybe a few weeks a year. I'm tasked with designing a system that will >> operate efficiently with both high and low occupancy levels, and it's only >> responsible of me to investigate ways to reduce the budget requirement for >> the total system. Money is probably not a factor here, but bigger, bigger, >> bigger also means bigger headaches when you have 8 inverters to maintain >> rather than 6 or 4. >> >> I do have some other thoughts like ensuring the well pump doesn't turn on >> while the Air Conditioning is running. Since it's on a float switch with >> ample at-grade storage, I don't really care if it runs only at periods of >> light load. >> >> You do have a point about turning refrigerators on and off by switching >> power. I might look into ways to cut the compressor using controls in the >> refrigerators instead. That will be a conversation with Sub-Z to see if >> they care that power is cycled during operation. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 8:16 PM Jay <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> You've got to plan on them all starting at once anyway. You can't expect >>> that it'll never happen. >>> >>> And really how do you prevent it. The refrigerators and AC's are on all >>> the time waiting for the thermostat to activate. And it's not good to turn >>> a working fridge on/off especially is the compressor is running. >>> >>> Bigger loads, bigger inverters, bigger dollars. >>> >>> Jay >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Jason Szumlanski < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> That is what I was thinking, but how will the contactor coils "know" >>> when the ATS switches to inverter power. I'm thinking I need to use an AUX >>> relay or a series of relays to produce the desired result. I don't think it >>> will be necessary when going from solar to generator in this case, but >>> maybe. I guess the question is how to activate the time delay any time the >>> ATS switches over. That would be the easiest solution maybe. >>> >>> I'm probably looking at a quad Conext XW+ system here. Even at over >>> 100A @ 240V continuous rating I'm anticipating some startup issues with all >>> those motors (I forgot to mention well and pressure pumps also!) >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 5:50 PM Michael Morningstar < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Put the loads on contractors, control the contractors with adjustable >>>> time delay relays. Stagger the timing. >>>> >>>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 2:41 PM, Jason Szumlanski < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> In an off-grid situation I'm looking for a strategy to manage transfer >>>> from generator power to inverter power because I have a lot of high startup >>>> load appliances planned for a system. Think 8 mini-refrigerators, one sub-z >>>> large refrigerator, and an under-cabinet ice maker, not to mention air >>>> conditioning. I would like to start these loads in stages if they all call >>>> to start up immediately upon system startup or during ATS switch over. Any >>>> ideas? >>>> >>>> I guess while I'm on the subject I should ask about my eye-roll, >>>> keep-me-up-a-night, giving-me-heartburn problem with this ice maker. It's >>>> going to be outdoors in Florida and they expect it to make 25-50 pounds of >>>> ice per day. I am finding it really hard to estimate energy use for this >>>> appliance. 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