Ah that was the metric I didn’t understand the 2-10, is minutes. got it
j > On Aug 10, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > <offgridso...@sti.net> wrote: > > I have forwarded this to Schneider. They gave me a case number in 30 minutes. > I disagree that "all" Li batteries need this. Obviously simplyphi does need > LBCO to be increased. The LBCO delay does help at 10 minutes from 2 minutes > default BTW. > > I have not had your issues with tech support. Certainly room to improve but > not much different than Outback over the long haul. Let us agree to disagree. > I find Schneider to be the best for my requirements, 2nd is Outback. I do > not use simplyphi. They are just too small of an offgrid battery and easy to > damage with XW and Radian. My last on this subject. > > > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > "we go where powerlines don't" > http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ <http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/> > e-mail offgridso...@sti.net <mailto:offgridso...@sti.net> > text 209 813 0060 > On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 13:40:22 -0600, Ray <r...@solarray.com> wrote: > >> It relates specifically to Simpliphi, but all brands of Li+ need much higher >> LBCO set points compared to Lead acid. Hysteresis and time don't fix the >> fact that once the batteries shut off before the inverter, the entire system >> is inoperable, with no charging available from the PV. It creates an >> absolute failure, that requires a manual reset, and there is no reason for >> it. It should be an easy firmware fix to allow LBCO to go above 48. We've >> used other brands of inverters and had excellent results with extremely high >> efficiency charging, noticeably reduced gen run time, etc. We can set the >> autostart on the generator to start higher, but as soon as there is a >> problem with the generator, we're snow shoeing in to save the house. >> Already done it 3 times this past Winter, so no, this is not a hypothetical >> problem. >> >> Also, I haven't mentioned Schneider's abysmal tech support throughout this >> problem. Zero on site phone support, but we might get a call back a week >> later, and then the tech can only read from the manual: something we've >> already done. I dropped Schneider many years ago when they brought out the >> terrible TR line of inverters. Those had 100% customer dissatisfaction. >> They have yet to regain my support, and now after this latest experience, I >> have to refuse to even service systems with Schneider equipment. >> >> Ray Walters >> Remote Solar >> 303 505-8760 >> On 8/10/20 8:03 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote: >>> Hey Ray, >>> >>> Your comment on Schneider LBCO relates to which brand? Sympliyfi? Curious >>> because I will send this in again. I did last time and they said to make >>> sure the config person knows that you can also set the default LBCO >>> hysteresis from 2V to 10V and the LBCO time from 60 seconds up to 600 >>> seconds. >>> >>> Zero probes here for me with Discover AES and Fortress with Schneider >>> electronics. >>> >>> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar >>> "we go where powerlines don't" >>> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ <http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/> >>> e-mail offgridso...@sti.net <mailto:offgridso...@sti.net> >>> text 209 813 0060 >>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 18:47:50 -0600, Ray <r...@solarray.com> >>> <mailto:r...@solarray.com> wrote: >>> >>> My favorite right now is Simpliphi: company has been around since 2002, and >>> as the name implies, they are simple to install. There is no external >>> monitoring or comm, just an output breaker on each battery that can be >>> reset if the internal BMS ever shuts down for any reason. We've done >>> several sets in new systems, and as battery replacements with older Outback >>> equipment. Simpliphi provides a nice programming cheat sheet for all the >>> brands of inverters and charge controllers. >>> >>> For smaller systems, the LiFe Blue batteries are great. They have the best >>> monitoring (simple blue tooth to a free phone app) and they are the only >>> Li+ battery that has a solution for cold weather charging that I'm aware >>> of. Other battery companies have just given us the shoulder shrug and tell >>> us to install the battery in a conditioned space. Not a good answer for >>> many off grid systems in the mountains. >>> >>> I'm not a huge fan of Blue Planet; if their battery is over discharged, it >>> requires a 48 v dark start. I also did not find their enclosure to be NEC >>> code compliant to connect conduit to. We had to modify it to allow a 2" >>> KO. Cable routing and connections internally are also awkward. Its just a >>> computer rack cabinet repurposed for batteries, but it does have pretty >>> blue Lights (which we disconnected at the customer's request) Finally the >>> comm system is based on the E-gage, which was never designed for off grid >>> and depends on a constant router and internet connection to monitor. That >>> is another deal killer for some remote projects. Internet connectivity is >>> great when available, just the monitoring can't be dependent on that >>> connection. Their tech support was good though. >>> >>> Beware that Schneider inverters LBCO can't be programmed over 48v, which is >>> a deal killer for most Li+ batteries. We currently have a system that we >>> are adding a relay to shut off AC output, that will be triggered by the >>> charge controller. That is just an amazingly kludgy solution for a really >>> dumb problem: not allowing higher settings of the LBCO. Until Schneider >>> releases a firmware update, they are not even being considered for future >>> projects. >>> >>> Ray Walters >>> Remote Solar >>> 303 505-8760 >>> On 8/9/20 5:30 PM, Jerry Shafer wrote: >>> I have outback FX systems operating for years now, the lab l had used FX's >>> and midnite systems, it does need to be 48 volts nominal. >>> Jerry >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2020, 4:13 PM Kirk Herander <vtso...@icloud.com >>> <mailto:vtso...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>> For some reason (that I never got an answer to from Outback or Blue Planet) >>> older FX inverters are not compatible with Blue Ion LFP batteries. The >>> newer FXR series are. >>> Considering one only needs to change slightly charge voltages, duration, >>> etc. to meet BI recommendations, it's a mystery why Outback states that >>> older FX inverters are not compatible. >>> Outback states this in a tech note about using LI batteries. >>> On 8/9/2020 5:40:39 PM, drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org >>> <mailto:drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org> >>> <drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org >>> <mailto:drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org>> wrote: >>> >>> P.S. 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