Well, just off the top of my head I would think it would be something like this:

Location: A city (in the States*) that houses a hub for a major airline, i.e. Dallas, Phoenix, Las Vegas (not sure if this is a hub), St. Louis (same question), Chicago. This should ensure that everybody could get to the location relatively cheaply.

Length: 2 days, Saturday and Sunday. Expectation of attendees would be to fly in on Friday and out either *late* Sunday or Monday. This should lower the cost of airfare because of the Saturday stay.

Attendance: Limited to no more than 15 or 20. This would be regardless of interest. Meaning if more people wanted to attend they would have to wait for the next one. One key to this sort of intensive experience is a high instructor/student ratio.

Topic: Unclear at this point, but definitely hands-on, and would require attendees to bring a computer.

Cost: This would vary depending on what is included. The BNR courses have deceptively high price tags because they are virtually all-inclusive. Split all those costs out, and I would be surprised if the cost of the *actual* course is much more than REALworld.

* - At this point 'in the States' is the only thing that makes sense to me. Coordination of an overseas conference would be a nightmare IMO, and would be better left to somebody local. I can very easily see an idea like this splitting into a European version and a Stateside version.

On Mar 1, 2006, at 18:33, Joe Cabrera wrote:

Well I'm in an odd place in my RB learning right now: somewhere between beginner and intermediate. There's no topic in particular I'm looking for aside from general RB class instruction beyond someone who's never programmed before.

I'm in the graphics field and I tend to be very visual. There's only so much I can absorb reading RB books (and old books at that). I'm a much better learner in a classroom setting, with real-time examples and someone I can ask questions immediately. And I'd like a better idea from the beginning of proper programming techniques before I become too entrenched in something that may be all wrong.

I know RB doesn't have the installed base of anything like XCode or VB, but if enough people were interested, it might be feasible. REALWorld has a lot going on but I think a weekend-long intensive RB course would give me just what I need to progress faster. REALWorld's dates didn't work for me this year, so maybe what I'm proposing could be done some months later. Or if that doesn't work, maybe it could be a few days before REALWorld and be part of one big honkin' RB week.

The closest thing to what I'm thinking of is one of Big Nerd Ranch's mini-bootcamps, like this one: http://www.bignerdranch.com/ classes/objc.shtml. Their classes are out in the middle of the woods, at a lodge with great food and scenery. The surroundings really perk up your spirits, and the seclusion helps you stay focused.

As to what I would pay? Instruction like this doesn't come cheap, especially when there's lodging and dining to consider. My guess would be somewhere in the $500-$1,000, depending on what exactly is being offered. (As a comparison, Big Nerd charges $1000 for their mini-bootcamp mentioned above, which includes everything but your airfare.)

But it could be a different scenario: maybe just instruction in smaller groups in a few select cities with high RB user concentration. Interest and economics are going to be the determining factors.

joe

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