Tony Spencer wrote: 

> Seems this thread had got a little out of hand!

I certainly agree with that, which is why I've quit contributing to it, but I 
do feel the need to respond to this:

> It is quite surprising that Joe is of the opinion that Mac apps don't  
> have pull downs in the Open menu. Although he no longer works for RS,  
> it wasn't that long ago since he did, so if he thinks that way, it's  
> a fairly sure bet RS thinks that way too. And we have shown that this  
> is not a trick used by MS or Adobe, because Apple and third party  
> shareware apps also use pull downs.

All I wrote was, in response to the assertion that Save As dialogs should have 
a pop-up menu to select what file types you want to see: "That's not the case 
on the Mac (at least, in my experience)".  I stand by that.  Most of the apps I 
frequently use do not have these:

  Firefox: no.
  Preview: no.
  REALbasic: no.
  Eudora: no.
  TextEdit: no.  (It does have an Encoding pop-up, but that's quite different.)
  iChat: no.
  Terminal: no.
  GraphicConverter: yes.

OK, so GraphicConverter has a filter pop-up.  It has a lot of other 
non-standard UI, too (much of it with good reason).  But my point remains: in 
my experience, most Mac apps don't have these, while most or all Windows apps 
do.  Somebody coming from a Windows background might happen to look at one Mac 
app that does have such a pop-up (most likely, something in Office), and then 
think all Mac apps should have them -- and then, if they happen to be Sven, 
start claiming (incorrectly) that REALbasic is trash because its file dialogs 
don't have them.  So I merely pointed out that many Mac apps (most, in my 
experience) don't have them; they are not standard on the Mac as they are on 
Windows.

I'd think this might be useful information to someone relatively new to the 
Mac.  If not, feel free to ignore me.

Best,
- Joe

--
Joe Strout -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Available for custom REALbasic programming or instruction.

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