Hi Thorsten,

do you have a little sample project showing the problem(s)?
I was playing with container controls on Windows a bit (using 2006r3) and 
encountered none of your issues. Even after save/reopen everthing is fine...

best regards
Thomas

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Datum: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:04:02 +0200
Von: Thorsten Hohage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
An: [email protected]
Betreff: ContainerControls one year later

> Hi,
> 
> after one of the most exciting new things being the container  
> controls in the last year and being disappointed only by doing some  
> very simplistic tests, I gave me and RS a "grace" period - now I'm in  
> need of doing REALwork.
> 
> After getting more issues everyday I got up early this morning and  
> start crawling my mailing archieve, add me to several bugs, just to  
> recognized time obviously doesn't change much in this case.
> 
> Just as an example I pick the following mail, but there are so much  
> other, that I could pick, too.
> 
> 
> > Message: 3
> > Subject: Re: ContainerControl.enabled does not exist?
> > From: Terry Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:33:40 -0700
> >
> >
> > Only a few personal observations and opinions.
> >
> > 1. The ContainerControl (ne:Embedded Window) is a "Work In Progress"
> 
> Yes, and it's still and while there was (RBSQLServer, ....) and are  
> (UB, Cocoa, ...)  sooooooooo many more important things to do I'm  
> afraid this state will not change for a long time
> 
> 
> > 3. You won't get much out of RS until they solve more of the bugs.
> 
> There are so much discussions and so less real answers and even more  
> less things that had been corrected.
> 
> 
> > 4. What appears possible sometimes is impossible later (i.e. after a
> > save).
> 
> The first hours I thought it was me making mistakes, or the Intel in  
> my MacBook, or ...
> 
> What is the really most annoying thing, you fix everything, you save  
> your project, you open your project again, restart it in debugger and  
> several other places are broken, you fix everything, you save your  
> project, you open your project again, restart it in debugger and  
> several other places are broken, you fix everything, you save your  
> project, you open your project again, restart it in debugger and  
> several other places are broken, ...
> 
> 
> > 5. It can't make up it's mind whether it's a window or a control.
> > (re: Enabled Quasi-Property)
> 
> The bad thing about you can't get it by logic, so I added a new  
> method in my SuperWindow-class "RegisterContainer" and register them  
> by code in the start up of the window to get a list of all used  
> containers, for all other custom-"controls" this is of course not  
> necessary.
> 
> And IMHO THIS is the source of a real annoying other problem, when  
> layering some canvases and ContainerControls, then the left- and top- 
> properties becomes completely useless, or does someone things that  
> "left:-260" is meanfull for a container-control being fully visible?
> 
> And loosing some of the parents in every second restart is not really  
> helpful.
> 
> 
> > I'm sure time will sort it out eventually.
> 
> I'm not in the business for nearly 20 years and I'm planning to work  
> for 30 more years, so yes I think I will the issues fixed.
> 
> 
> > In the meantime, I have been successful in creating a
> > ContainerControl on a TabPanel (in code) that appears to work. More
> > tests are still required.
> 
> In the meantime I created a xhtml-directed "presentation"-canvas  
> where a lot of the dynamic things happen and for editing a separated  
> window is open, works fast and pretty nice, so far no issues.
> 
> 
> 
> ciao
> 
> Thorsten Hohage
> --
> that-Office.de Softwaredesign - Hamburg,Germany
> 
> 
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