Massimo Valle wrote:
It seems to me that RB2k6 is a more "solid" base to build from than
the 5.x series. It is made with RB itself, has a newer compiler.
Plus... it's what we have now. So that's what is built upon.
Indeed the RB-made bloat-IDE is the cause of so many bug reports about
the IDE itself. Never seen so many bugs with the old IDE.
Really? I had far more problems with the old IDE, on average, than the
new one. Plus, really, the 5.5.x IDE had years and years of bake time.
So it would make more sense to me to compare RB 2.x and 3.x to the
current 2k6 release (in terms of bake time). And, if that's the case,
then 2k6 is leaps and bounds more stable and consistent.
Regarding the new compiler, I'd be curious to know where are the news.
Really, how is different from the previous?
One of the primary reasons, as I understand it, for RS needing to have
spent time on the compiler was for maintainability. And I think the
results of that is very, very obvious. We have multiple new targets in
an amazingly short amount of time.
This makes me think if they read the bug reports or not... How is
supposed I can provide a sample project that programatically crash
the IDE?
Were you working with a completely blank project?
Yes!
But this happen so frequently in blank and even in complex projects.
Interesting. That's definitely not good. I'm wondering what the
culprit is. I haven't seen full IDE crashes on any of the three
platforms (and I use the pro version of all three on a daily basis).
I'm not meaning to trivialize your problems at all. I'm just wondering
what the difference is. Whether it be you using the IDE in a different
way than I... OS/language differences... something about your setup, etc.
Sure, there are new features I want. And, you bet... I've got a
handful of bugs that really annoy the snot out of me. But I have the
same troubles with the other tools that I use from time to time
(VisualStudio 2k5 and MonoDevelop). RBs' benefits outweigh its
problems for my work. And that's the key with any toolset.
I can tolerate a little more IDE related bugs but I'm more strict on the
framework. At least not so many and not so critics. It's not possible to
have a framework which fails to detect exceptions (just to say one).
Such as?
I have my own personal list of bugs for the RB framework and IDE. But
nothing that would stop me from using the framework entirely. And
nothing quite as serious as many of the show-stoppers I've it with other
frameworks.
Seriously man, I understand your frustration. I just don't have the
same problem here.
Happy for you, really. I hope you'll never be in the situation of being
unable to deliver a project to a customer.
Ah, heck man. :) I've been unable to deliver projects because of
problems in frameworks plenty of times... and with several different
frameworks.
I'm not saying RB is perfect. No tool is. But is gets the job done
better and faster (at least for the variety of projects I do) than any
other tool.
Anyway, I'm more sad than frustrated. I'm a big fan of RB since it was
XBasic 0.9 and I agree on the fact it's potentially a great tool, but it
could be far better just fixing the bugs.
Again, we are discussing of bugs instead of features in this list. A
solution could be to have a RB-Bug mailing-list.. ;)
I don't see a problem with discussing bugs. This is a User Group. :)
As long as it's RB-related and we're all cool, I don't see a problem.
-Bryan
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