yes you are correct but even you concede that points
are charged up front when the loan closes. royal
financial is a good example of this in Michigan. they
charge apx17% rate and the up front charges or heavy.
bringing the true apr to 24. something%

--- John B Corey Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Maybe I am just missing something.
> 
> I would say that the 4 people on the cc line have
> not done there  
> homework when it comes to what was posted as the
> original request and  
> what true hard money is. The person who gets it
> partially correct if  
> CrM. The other three appear to not know that
> traditional hard money  
> (no credit check at all, no up front fees and the
> loan determined by  
> the value of the property) is out there and savvy
> investors are  
> making good money landing deals with such funding.
> 
> True hard money is not the right solution for a lot
> of situations.  
> The LTV is lower than many would like (65% of the
> as-is value for  
> some HML when there is no credit check). The costs
> are what you would  
> expect from hard money (15% and 5 points appears to
> be par these  
> days) and the funds are not available for owner
> occupied properties.  
> It definitely is out there for good deals.
> 
> Be a bit more gentle to the person who posted the
> request as they  
> appear to know more about hard money than many of
> the folks who have  
> responded so negatively.
> 
> BTW - There was never a statement the loan would not
> be lacking  
> collateral or that the fees would not be paid when
> the loan closes.
> 
> The only point that I think will be hard to find is
> a HM loan for 24  
> months if all the other factors remain as presented
> below. The one  
> firm that I know that will go to 24 months wants to
> see the credit  
> file so they get to understand the borrower better.
> They do not use  
> the score they just want to know who they are
> dealing with. When you  
> are at 12 months or less there are multiple lenders
> out there who  
> will offer loans on the terms below. BTW - Many
> times you can find  
> such a lender in your local investment club
> meetings. I closed a loan  
> in Detroit just a few weeks ago on terms that fit
> everything below  
> except it was for 12 months max.
> 
> John Corey
> Manager/Member
> Chelsea Private Equity, LLC
> +1 (503) 906 7840 x1108
> +1 (503) 210 0227 (efax)
> 
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > I'm looking for a real hard money lender.
> >
> > No credit checks
> > No up front points
> > No income verification
> > No cross collateralizations
> >
> > With:
> >
> > Quick closings (2-3 weeks)
> > Loans terms 12 to 24 months
> > Loans from 20K to 500K
> > Loan secured by the real estate
> >
> > I don't mind getting the property appraised. But,
> the loan should be
> > based on the value of the property.
> >
> > If this is something that you can provide, please
> drop me a line.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> 
> 





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