----- Original Message -----
From: Gisle Dankel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 9:01 PM
Subject: [REBOL] Re: zip file support wanted - help needed
>
> Hi Jamey,
>
> I really like the fact that there's no shell access in Rebol/core.
> It means I can take just about any script and use it on any computer,
> which I do, all the time.
> I do rebol programming on three different platforms depending on where I
> am at the moment. If shell access was available I have a feeling that
> people would use it more than necessary to add 'cool' features etc by
> hooking up to resources which doesn't exist (or works differently)
> on some platforms.
> It would be a lot of extra work to get these programs to work on all
> platforms.
> A program such as a file manager should really work on all platforms,
> don't you think?
>
> Working with REBOL is a breath of fresh air compared to Working with Java
> and other languages wich claims to be platform independent.
> REBOL really does work flawlessly across platforms. With other languages
> there are all sorts of issues.
>
> The way it is now, with REBOL/Command available for purchase, suits me
> very well, and I think most newcomers with little experience in
> programming will feel the same way.
Each coin has two sides, of course. Well, what about following:?
"Lack of /shell and /library components in /Core language limits general
language acceptance pretty well" ....
I know what multiplatform issue means. I am sorry but sometimes all that
be-multiplatform-or-die voices sounds a little bit "masochistic" to me :-)
Isn't purpose of language to SOLVE various situations in first place? How
often do MOST ppl in reality need their solution to work on more than one
platform? On more than two platforms? etc.?
We should probably find some balance here. Many ppl here expressed need for
link to external environments here already. We probably lost some ppl
already too because of that fact.
What about even this?: I will produce some script, which is supposed to call
some other script, or load image .... but I will forget to send you such
image. My script works on my platform, but does not on another one. It IS
dependant on my environment, using current /Core.
In opposite - what about this?: I want to call external archiver, pkzip for
e.g. Have you realised, that you can find some freeware utils for almost any
platform you can imagine? And if you don't have gzip with your platform
installed? So what? One script will not work. But if you want, you CAN code
the same way as today - being truly multiplatform ....
So you still prefer the way to be "dead" in certain areas? Or you want to
suggest me to buy 2xx or 4xx USD /Command, just to execute external utility?
I think /Express is the answer for RT to make money. It's a product, which
adds value to Rebol technology, while /Core, /Shell and /Library should be
regarded technologies imo.
... being with Rebol from its beginning, I think it completly deserves much
more acceptance. And that's the reason I would let ppl to use it in whatever
environment they can imagine. At least in non-commercial environments ....
I can't help myself, sorry :-)
-pekr-
>
> Gisle
>
>
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Jamey Cribbs wrote:
>
> > Couldn't agree with you more about shell access.
> >
> > I believe it was yesterday that someone posted a script he had written
that
> > allowed him to send an email via sendmail. It was a great piece of
> > programming, but I find it humorous that he actually had to jump through
that
> > many hoops just to do something that would be very easy if core included
> > shell access.
> >
> > I've heard the reasons RT gives for not including shell access in
core...and
> > they just don't wash with me. But, it's there product.
> >
> > Jamey.
>
>
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