So long as you keep seeing that Laurie, you will never see the good people
who work in a police service and who are really trying to make a difference.
Just because an officer 'serves the coimmissioner' does not mean they were
personally appointed by the commissioner. They aren't. What I was saying was
that you must blame the individual first and then the service because it is
the individual who makes up a Service. I have never heard that sort of
question asked to recruits in Queensland.
Perhaps instead of constantly tarnishing the service people need to join
together with those officers and staff who are trying to make a difference
and help them get rid of the racist bastards you seem to think monopolise
the Service.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, 3 December 2000 2:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Claims racism is behind indigenous jailing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Crook, Karen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: [recoznet2] Claims racism is behind indigenous jailing
> I don't blame Ayour friend for walking out of the interview, I bloody
would
> have walked out also.
I think that this comment by Karen points up the problem with the
rationalisation of racist actions by a great many Australians, well-meaning
or not.
Karen says that if this happened to her she would have "walked out also".
Well, I think you'd be doing a lot of be doing a lot of walking out ,
Karen.
The incident described by Jim is not an isolated incident, it can't be ---It
is reasonable to assume that every time an Aboriginal person applies to this
recruiting officer he or she will be be treated in the same racist manner .
Karen says, "You can't blame the Police Service for every police officer's
actions"--- -Karen, this "every police officer" is the Recruiting
Sergeant----this is his approach to Aboriginal applicants----he looks at
them as only fit for" tracking"----this racist recruiting sergeant is the
W.A.Police Service Commissioner's idea of a good recruiting
officer----otherwise he wouldn't have the job.
It is therefore safe to presume that the Commissioner has appointed other
racists to vital positions---why would he stop at the recruiting
officer?----ergo, he intends that the Service be racist .
I think it's time we cut out the old wail of "Oh yes, this is a terrible
case, but this is just another case of a few bad apples".
As far as the Police Services go, because of community biases, government
actions,a traditionally racist police culture, and covert employment
policies that perpetuate that culture, the police barrells are just about
full of rotten apples where discrimination against Aboriginal people is
concerned.
Laurie
Laurie and Desley Forde
Email. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Without a treaty, which spells out the obligations and rights of both
parties, there can be no Reconciliation in Australia----Geoff Clark.
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>
>
> JIM SAID: There's nothing necessarily wrong with the apprenticship model
as
> a mode of
> entry, it just MUST be complemented by a graduate entry, and senior
> appointment system from - without the culture - so ably defined and
> analysed by Fitzgerald. I'm told now some 60% of police recruits to Hendon
> in the UK (The
> Metropolitan Police College) are university graduates before they commence
> police training.
>
>
> Jim, I'd like to know what you find so wrong with people being university
> graduates?? The QPS asks that recruits have some, or completed, study of a
> degree and have relevant life experience. It was changed to try and find
> people who instead of being fresh faced out of uni thinking they knew it
> all. It was best to have people who could show they could handle the study
> capacity - vital for being promoted through the ranks and showing
capability
> to handle the job as you progress - and people who had lived a bit i.e
> experience in military, medical, dealing with people, social work,
> interaction with different people etc etc.
>
> Also, if you were to find out what is available in the way of traineeships
> and training for ATSI people interested in joining the Service, whether as
> an officer, PLO or other, you will see that the QPS is by no means a
racist
> body. However, havign said that, that does not mean there are not some bad
> apples in the cart and these people are often discovered and dealt with.
> There is no place for them in the Service. Nobody should be inhumanely and
> unfairly treated because of the way they were born.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Duffield
> Sent: Friday, 1 December 2000 5:28 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DAUGHTER; DEMSEN
> Subject: RE: [recoznet2] Claims racism is behind indigenous jailing
>
>
> On 29 Nov 2000, at 23:40, Crook, Karen wrote:
>
> > Right, and when was the last time you worked for the QPS recruiting
> section
> > Laurie??
> >
> > karen
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Laurie Forde
> > Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2000 11:10 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Claims racism is behind indigenous jailing
> >
> >
> > I believe there is an unofficial policy in most police forces, certainly
> > Queensland , to recruit as many cadets as possible from rural
areas---the
> > reasons given are manifold, but in my opinion, , this policy results in
an
> > inordinate number of police officers who have been raised in an
atmosphere
> > of overt racism towards Aboriginal people----this attitude, passed down
> > around the kitchen table, is very difficult to overcome with the kind of
> > training young cadets are given at police academys which are often run
by
> > people from the same racist background.
> >
> > Laurie
> >
> > Laurie and Desley Forde
>
> Dunno about the country recruiting Laurie, but a Yinjibarndi man living
> with me as he completed his BSoc Sci degree some seven years ago went to
> the WA police academy for a recruiting interview by the recruiting
> Sergeant.
>
> This man was initiated to his Law and was annually completing his path
> through manhood, spoke three languages before English, had served in the
> Army Reserve for six years, and was most lterate in English - and was very
> black.
>
> Given that the WA police had this opportunity to recruit a graduate -
novel
> - the first question asked by the WA Police Recruitin Sergeant was:
>
> "'Ere, can you track?"
>
> As he walked out of the interview the Man of the Pilbara, the country
where
> they struck for equal wages in 1946, responded:
>
> "Sergeant, maybe I can, maybe I can't, but one thing I do do is graduate
> from university. Good afternoon"
>
> Read Chapter 7 of the Fitzgerald Report - "The Police Culture." And
> nothing has changed since! You must enter at the bottom as a drone, be
> trained by the corrupt, and then your aspirations to "command" may be met,
> in time and with the approval of the corrupt. Its a tribal management
> model that has be discarded throughout the world.
>
> There's nothing necessarily wrong with the apprenticship model as a mode
of
> entry, it just MUST be complemented by a graduate entry, and senior
> appointment system from - without the culture - so ably defined and
> analysed by Fitzgerald.
>
> I'm told now some 60% of police recruits to Hendon in the UK (The
> Metropolitan Police College) are university graduates before they commence
> police training.
>
> Us colonists have a lot yet to achieve, but when our allegedly social
> justice party has its roots in the disenfranchisement of "blacks" under
> some nondescript tree stump in Queensland, we've a l-o-n-g way to go!
>
> CYA
>
>
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