Dear Irene ,
Sorry about that -thanks
Judi
irene wrote:
> irene wrote
> nukkan is a hello a farewell a statement of peace my name is irene
> nukkan.
>
> ----------
> > From: Judi Monticone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [recoznet2] misunderstandings
> > Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 3:57 PM
> >
> > To Nukkan and Don and Karyn,
> > Thanks for your conversations regarding Kevin. I have met Kevin Buzzacot
> and I appreciate his utter
> > frustration at us white people as we have come and taken, and we are
> destroying this land. He has a reason
> > to be short with people but I have listened to him a lot and agree that
> we (white) people have not honoured
> > the First Nations people in coming onto this land. I marched up the hill
> on the Thursday morning with the
> > Aboriginal people after their spears were stolen, quite gladly, to the
> New PH. We (Anglos) have broken just
> > about every promise we ever made and still we are pursuing a genocidal
> path that ultimately will lead to our
> > self destruction as a nation if we don't stop and listen. Please forgive
> us as we are very quick to judge
> > and act with our own selfish motives. I support Kevin and the work for
> Justice that he is doing. This is a
> > long and lonely road but one day it will happen with support and
> encouragement from those who are real with
> > our history. Thankyou Karyn for trying to understand and I want to
> congratulate you on this journey that you
> > are on, please continue and grow as you do. Thankyou Nukkan for being so
> patient with us and I hope that
> > more of us (whities) take your advise and use our ears and eyes more than
> our mouth. Listening to Elders who
> > have wisdom is something that us Anglo's have lost the art of and I hope
> that one day this will return.
> > Regards
> > Judi
> >
> > Don Clark wrote:
> >
> > > Irene,
> > >
> > > I am wondering why you think that a person who percieves that a meeting
> with
> > > another person is negative is "insulting". Surely she is entitled to
> an
> > > opinion and an interpretation of that meeting.
> > >
> > > I was not there so I do not know if Karyn's interpretation is right or
> > > wrong. Were you there in order to determine the rightness or wrongness
> of
> > > that statement?
> > >
> > > Don
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: irene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: Thursday, 29 April 1999 2:22
> > > Subject: Re: [recoznet2] karyns bio
> > >
> > > >irene watson wrote
> > > >
> > > >quite clearly you learned nothing from one of our elders kevin
> buzzacott,
> > > >the way you have interpreted his advise is clearly one of the reasons
> we as
> > > >nungas tire of speaking to you. you dont listen properly
> > > >like our elders have said we were born with two ears and two eyes and
> one
> > > >mouth
> > > >one should spend twice as much time listening and watching than
> speaking.
> > > >
> > > >my advise to you is dont interpret our relationship to the land we are
> > > >quite capable of doing it ourselves it is for you to interpret yours,
> you
> > > >need to travel for the thousands of years that it will take you back
> home
> > > >again
> > > >you can take it literally, spiritually, pschycially any way you like
> but
> > > >you are not a nunga here you are home somewhere else and thats your
> journey
> > > >just as mine is mine and i am quite capable of the interpretation of
> that
> > > >for myself as you are yours
> > > >
> > > >nukkan
> > > >
> > > >i wonder why i am a member of a group like this where there is no
> response
> > > >to one who insults one of our respected elders.
> > > >
> > > >----------
> > > >> From: karyn fearnside <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >> Subject: [recoznet2] karyns bio
> > > >> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 7:44 AM
> > > >>
> > > >> Hello everyone,
> > > >>
> > > >> I haven't really introduced myself, so here goes:
> > > >>
> > > >> I am a 33 year old white female, my fathers family hail from
> Britain,
> > > >> Yorkshire to be exact, and arrived in Adelaide during the 60's. My
> > > >> mothers mother was born the eldest of 10 children in Kadina, SA, and
> > > >> according to my birth certificate, my mum was born at Wallaroo. As
> far
> > > >> as I know, my grandad came over form Cornwall and worked on my great
> > > >> grandparent's farm at the age of 15. This was where he met my
> > > >> grandmother. All I can remember of her was that she was a very
> > > >> religious woman, and took me to Sunday school when we visited them
> in
> > > >> Karoonda, SA, where they had a sheep and wheat farm. I also remember
> > > >> her doing a lot of work with the aborigines that lived on the edge
> of
> > > >> the small town.
> > > >>
> > > >> I was born in Canberra, and spent some of my early years going to
> > > >> school overseas, firstly a British school in Kathmandu, and then an
> > > >> American one. I didn't learn anything about aboriginal people when I
> > > >> was at school in Australia, but I did hear about Captain Cook, and
> got
> > > >> the general idea that the aboriginal people living a traditional
> life
> > > >> style were a thing of the past. I was quite cross to realise that I
> > > >> had been brainwashed. Firstly I didn't know any aboriginal kids, and
> > > >> if I did, I didn't think anything of it, maybe from growing up
> > > >> overseas, used to being surrounded by all nationalities. Only
> recently
> > > >> when I finished my degree in visual art, majoring in textiles at the
> > > >> Canberra School of Art, did I take stock of the situation and
> realise
> > > >> that I had been lied to. Now I think that the Aboriginal history of
> > > >> this country is exciting, and that children should be learning it at
> > > >> school. I think that we should be learning the place names of the
> > > >> aboriginal states, I think that we should acknowledge the original
> > > >> cultures, and embrace our multiculturalism, for us all to be able to
> > > >> live on this continent, honouring the country, respecting each
> other.
> > > >>
> > > >> I remember thinking that all my life I had been slightly jealous of
> > > >> America for having the American Indians, and that whole mystical
> > > >> approach to life, and the Negro's for bringing all that they had
> done
> > > >> by hanging onto their culture, and still being able to see their
> roots
> > > >> from Africa.
> > > >>
> > > >> I did start to become quite philosophical and look at new age ideas
> > > >> in search of some thing that I could be interested in especially in
> a
> > > >> spiritual way. I checked out Wicca because I thought I should
> > > >> acknowledge my British heritage, not feeling particularly interested
> > > >> in white male god Christian beliefs. It was very interesting but not
> > > >> what I really wanted to spend a lot of time doing. I guess I feel
> > > >> quite content with my own ideas about creation, and the way the
> world
> > > >> operates. There is a rich culture existing here, very much in the
> > > >> magnitude of the American Indians, I now realise, which we should
> > > >> preserve at all costs.
> > > >>
> > > >> Most of my artwork has been of a political nature, usually focusing
> on
> > > >> the hardships of animals bred for factory farming, battery eggs and
> so
> > > >> forth. I did a website as part of my final year's work, and if
> anyone
> > > >> wants to check it out they can at:
> > > >>
> > > >> Its got 10 pages all up, and when you get to the little piccies
> don't
> > > >> forget to click on one. Anyway, I am rambling!! I was awarded a
> > > >> 6-month studio space with an exhibition as part of an emarging
> artists
> > > >> support scheme (EASS). I decided to do a piece of art work that was
> > > >> current with the times, and was particularly interested in ideas of
> > > >> reconciliation, and began to apply my thoughts along the lines I had
> > > >> been taught to explore from art school. I read Bringing Australia
> > > >> Together, and began to realise a bit about what had been going on. I
> > > >> went to Old Parliament house to find an aboriginal to talk to at the
> > > >> tent embassy, about what I was thinking and working on. I took along
> > > >> the first few photographs I had of my work
> > > >>
> > > >> I met Kevin Buzzacott, who was extremely negative and told me that
> us
> > > >> whities should go back where we came from I tried to make light of
> the
> > > >> situation, and said that I had been there, and it wasn't very nice.
> I
> > > >> wasn't real impressed with the whole meeting, and didn't really try
> to
> > > >> hard after that to meet up with other aborigines.
> > > >>
> > > >> I decided to try the Internet to get information, which was when I
> > > >> became a member of recoznet!
> > > >> I went ahead with my artwork, believing that the work I would
> produce
> > > >> would reach the right audience. Sadly, I learnt my first lesson in
> the
> > > >> real art world as I didn't really get as much public response as I
> > > >> wanted�but then again, how else are you meant to learn.
> > > >> The work was called 'Stunting', and consisted of 15 Hansards, which
> I
> > > >> had carved into and inserted little scenarios, and a black/white
> human
> > > >> shadow on the wall/floor made out of computer labels, the black
> figure
> > > >> on the wall made with labels saying 'Australia the lucky country'
> and
> > > >> the white shadow on the floor, made of derogatory words such as
> > > >> genocide, colonise, monoculture, poverty, marginalise...
> > > >> I did well in that I sold a few pieces, and got some fantastic
> > > >> comments.
> > > >>
> > > >> Now I am working towards my next artwork something along the lines
> of
> > > >> alerting people to the nature of the relationship that aborigines
> > > >> share with their land. I like to work with things and make them look
> > > >> beautiful, to draw people in and then share something intimate when
> I
> > > >> have their attention.
> > > >>
> > > >> Okay I think that s all for now, otherwise I shall ramble on and on,
> > > >> and I will never post this! If people are interested in looking at
> my
> > > >> work more closely, they can contact me, and I can e-mail images to
> > > >> them.
> > > >>
> > > >> cheers karyn
> > > >>
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