No problem at all Jason. We thank you for spurring on conversation and interest on the list. I hope your day gets cheerier. :-)
-Chris On 4/11/06, Justin Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Ok, Again apology to any noses tweeked or if I went off half cocked. I > stayed clear of the developers list because I'm pretty much a non-coder. I > do think though that I could well be a typical user of Red5 in that I have > more idea's than knowledge. My impression of Red5 was of a tool to harness > the creative power of the flash platform without the financial burden of > MM/Adobe's licensing regime and in the odd occurance without the tech > limitations of FCS/FMS as a closed box. I think maybe I took it that Red 5 > would do what FCS/FMS does, and far far more besides with a minimal barrier > to entry. > > > > The tech side of my brain needs no convincing as to the fact that Red5 being > built on Java can do anything that Java can do, namely the full power of OO. > So, with that I'm off to study up on Java ;) > > > > Hope you don't think I'm picking holes, it must be because it's raining here > so I'm in a doom and gloom mood.. :( ..lol > > > > > > > Justin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Luke Hubbard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > Sent: 11 April 2006 18:18 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Red5] Mission Creep? > > > > > > > On 4/12/06, Chris Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well put Jake! This is perhaps why Justin has the perception that Red5 > is experiencing scope creep. I think that Justin's concern stems from > the misconception (shared by many) that we are trying to replicate > FMS, but this has never been our goal. Not only is Red5 intended as a > very capable streaming media server, but it's also a full blown > application server. > > > > Wow.. hold. I would put that another way as it may be misunderstood. > We want to give developers easy access to app server services. So > hibernate, spring, etc. > We are not building an app server like jboss. Now that would be missing > creep :) > > BTW I have a reply to this thread in my drafts, but work took over. > I think most of the points have been made already, but I might post anyway. > > > > > This has been the intent since very early on and > the project's timeline and history reflect this. > > Anyway, we are all happy to hear people's perspectives on the project > and we really appreciate you letting us know how you feel. > > -Chris > > On 4/11/06, Jake Hilton < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree Ayo... one huge advantage already is true oop on the server. With > > java capabilities it really strengthens red5's stance... Makes it more > like > > an application/streaming server rather than just a streaming server. > > > > Jake > > > > > > On 4/11/06, Lee McColl-Sylvester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nicely said! > > > > > > > > > > > > I once built a product for the purpose of selling, but had it quoted > from > > a friend that he only opted for open source technologies, so didn't want > to > > use it (even though I offered it for free). Thing is, everything he > built, > > he sold! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On > > Behalf Of a / > > > Sent: 11 April 2006 16:28 > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [Red5] Mission Creep? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see R5 as a much needed option to FMS, capable of performing and > > hopefully outstripping the capabilities of FMS. By its very nature of > being > > open source, it means that development will not be totally governed by > > economics but more from a developer point of view. In some respect it > will > > also drive improvements in FMS development. Every Coca Cola needs a > Pepsi. > > > > > > [a /] > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of John Grden > > > Sent: 11 April 2006 15:39 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [Red5] Mission Creep? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rob, and not to rain on what you've said here, I think it's > > appropriate to point out that we (Red5 team) don't look at Red5 as being > a > > replacement for FCS by any means. It's a much needed option and I think > a > > tremendous boost for Flashers everywhere. > > > > > > I'm not trying to make an example out of you Rob, so please don't take > it > > that way ;) > > > > > > I just see alot of posts saying it's a replacement and I wanted to > point > > out that we don't view it that way. Everyone I think can recognize that > > some companies/projects will only work with a product that has a company > who > > can support it with a support contract etc and vise-versa - some will > only > > work with OS or similar open formats. And obviously, there's a ton of > > projects that are educational/non-profit/medical that maybe Red5 can help > > out with. > > > > > > Anyway, \m/ > > > > > > > > > On 4/11/06, Rob Terrell < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Justin, I'm following the Red5 developer list, and I don't get the > sense > > that there is any mission creep happening at all. Quite a bit of what > gets > > discussed on this list is off-topic -- not to willfully divert the > > developers, but out genuine excitement. Some (including myself) have > > discussed topics like transcoding, porting to C or C#, server-side Ruby, > and > > other things. But that's talk over here -- not on the dev list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The devs are plugging away, following the roadmap (if you haven't seen > it, > > take a look at it). The progress they're making is right towards what > you're > > looking for -- a feature-complete replacement for FCS. As for a > cleaned-up > > API that looks similar to the FCS API, you should see what you're looking > > for in the .6 release. .4 is the release being worked on now. And if > you're > > not afraid to roll up your sleeves and port your server-side actionscript > > code to Java, you can do quite a bit with Red5 today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today you can connect a NetConnection, make a NetStream, and play live > or > > archived video. You can send arbitrary messages on that net connection. > You > > can create persistent shared objects. A lot of stuff people want to > > implement ( i.e. video chat rooms) is possible today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2006, at 9:58 AM, Justin Lewis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is just my observation, but I detect the early signs of a little > > mission creep setting in with Red5. When I first discovered Red5 it had > > gotten off to a flying start with a working rtmp streaming server. Maybe > > it's not my place to say, and this if for the projects leaders to decide > but > > I think there's a little creep setting in from what I perceived was the > > original goal. I see a lot of talk on the list about porting, adding non > > core features and doing a whole load of things that aren't that necessary > in > > a communication server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just think that Red5 should be a very approachable server, the key to > > that is the core API so keeping as near as possible to the standard > > Macromedia API's in order to attract Flash Coders and Designers. I think > all > > the other functionality everyone's spoken about could then be best > achieved > > by making the server extensible via plug ins with a flash-esque API that > > can be consumed natively within any Red5 flash comm. Script. Then, for > the > > super doper clever stuff that any Java coder wants to add on it's up to > them > > to get stuck in and mod Red5 as they see fit, it is after all open > source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I've not put noses out of joint? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Justin. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Red5 mailing list > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Red5 mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > John Grden - Blitz > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Red5 mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Red5 mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Red5 mailing list > [email protected] > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Red5 mailing list > [email protected] > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org > > > _______________________________________________ Red5 mailing list [email protected] http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
