THanks Justin! we needed a good thread today ;)
On 4/11/06, Chris Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No problem at all Jason. We thank you for spurring on conversation and
interest on the list. I hope your day gets cheerier. :-)
-Chris
On 4/11/06, Justin Lewis < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ok, Again apology to any noses tweeked or if I went off half cocked. I
> stayed clear of the developers list because I'm pretty much a non-coder. I
> do think though that I could well be a typical user of Red5 in that I have
> more idea's than knowledge. My impression of Red5 was of a tool to harness
> the creative power of the flash platform without the financial burden of
> MM/Adobe's licensing regime and in the odd occurance without the tech
> limitations of FCS/FMS as a closed box. I think maybe I took it that Red 5
> would do what FCS/FMS does, and far far more besides with a minimal barrier
> to entry.
>
>
>
> The tech side of my brain needs no convincing as to the fact that Red5 being
> built on Java can do anything that Java can do, namely the full power of OO.
> So, with that I'm off to study up on Java ;)
>
>
>
> Hope you don't think I'm picking holes, it must be because it's raining here
> so I'm in a doom and gloom mood.. :( ..lol
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Justin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> Of Luke Hubbard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Sent: 11 April 2006 18:18
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Red5] Mission Creep?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/12/06, Chris Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well put Jake! This is perhaps why Justin has the perception that Red5
> is experiencing scope creep. I think that Justin's concern stems from
> the misconception (shared by many) that we are trying to replicate
> FMS, but this has never been our goal. Not only is Red5 intended as a
> very capable streaming media server, but it's also a full blown
> application server.
>
>
>
> Wow.. hold. I would put that another way as it may be misunderstood.
> We want to give developers easy access to app server services. So
> hibernate, spring, etc.
> We are not building an app server like jboss. Now that would be missing
> creep :)
>
> BTW I have a reply to this thread in my drafts, but work took over.
> I think most of the points have been made already, but I might post anyway.
>
>
>
>
> This has been the intent since very early on and
> the project's timeline and history reflect this.
>
> Anyway, we are all happy to hear people's perspectives on the project
> and we really appreciate you letting us know how you feel.
>
> -Chris
>
> On 4/11/06, Jake Hilton < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I agree Ayo... one huge advantage already is true oop on the server. With
> > java capabilities it really strengthens red5's stance... Makes it more
> like
> > an application/streaming server rather than just a streaming server.
> >
> > Jake
> >
> >
> > On 4/11/06, Lee McColl-Sylvester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nicely said!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I once built a product for the purpose of selling, but had it quoted
> from
> > a friend that he only opted for open source technologies, so didn't want
> to
> > use it (even though I offered it for free). Thing is, everything he
> built,
> > he sold!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lee
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > >
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On
> > Behalf Of a /
> > > Sent: 11 April 2006 16:28
> > >
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: Re: [Red5] Mission Creep?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I see R5 as a much needed option to FMS, capable of performing and
> > hopefully outstripping the capabilities of FMS. By its very nature of
> being
> > open source, it means that development will not be totally governed by
> > economics but more from a developer point of view. In some respect it
> will
> > also drive improvements in FMS development. Every Coca Cola needs a
> Pepsi.
> > >
> > > [a /]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > >
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
> > Behalf Of John Grden
> > > Sent: 11 April 2006 15:39
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: Re: [Red5] Mission Creep?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks Rob, and not to rain on what you've said here, I think it's
> > appropriate to point out that we (Red5 team) don't look at Red5 as being
> a
> > replacement for FCS by any means. It's a much needed option and I think
> a
> > tremendous boost for Flashers everywhere.
> > >
> > > I'm not trying to make an example out of you Rob, so please don't take
> it
> > that way ;)
> > >
> > > I just see alot of posts saying it's a replacement and I wanted to
> point
> > out that we don't view it that way. Everyone I think can recognize that
> > some companies/projects will only work with a product that has a company
> who
> > can support it with a support contract etc and vise-versa - some will
> only
> > work with OS or similar open formats. And obviously, there's a ton of
> > projects that are educational/non-profit/medical that maybe Red5 can help
> > out with.
> > >
> > > Anyway, \m/
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/11/06, Rob Terrell < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Justin, I'm following the Red5 developer list, and I don't get the
> sense
> > that there is any mission creep happening at all. Quite a bit of what
> gets
> > discussed on this list is off-topic -- not to willfully divert the
> > developers, but out genuine excitement. Some (including myself) have
> > discussed topics like transcoding, porting to C or C#, server-side Ruby,
> and
> > other things. But that's talk over here -- not on the dev list.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The devs are plugging away, following the roadmap (if you haven't seen
> it,
> > take a look at it). The progress they're making is right towards what
> you're
> > looking for -- a feature-complete replacement for FCS. As for a
> cleaned-up
> > API that looks similar to the FCS API, you should see what you're looking
> > for in the .6 release. .4 is the release being worked on now. And if
> you're
> > not afraid to roll up your sleeves and port your server-side actionscript
> > code to Java, you can do quite a bit with Red5 today.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Today you can connect a NetConnection, make a NetStream, and play live
> or
> > archived video. You can send arbitrary messages on that net connection.
> You
> > can create persistent shared objects. A lot of stuff people want to
> > implement ( i.e. video chat rooms) is possible today.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 11, 2006, at 9:58 AM, Justin Lewis wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This is just my observation, but I detect the early signs of a little
> > mission creep setting in with Red5. When I first discovered Red5 it had
> > gotten off to a flying start with a working rtmp streaming server. Maybe
> > it's not my place to say, and this if for the projects leaders to decide
> but
> > I think there's a little creep setting in from what I perceived was the
> > original goal. I see a lot of talk on the list about porting, adding non
> > core features and doing a whole load of things that aren't that necessary
> in
> > a communication server.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I just think that Red5 should be a very approachable server, the key to
> > that is the core API so keeping as near as possible to the standard
> > Macromedia API's in order to attract Flash Coders and Designers. I think
> all
> > the other functionality everyone's spoken about could then be best
> achieved
> > by making the server extensible via plug ins with a flash-esque API that
> > can be consumed natively within any Red5 flash comm. Script. Then, for
> the
> > super doper clever stuff that any Java coder wants to add on it's up to
> them
> > to get stuck in and mod Red5 as they see fit, it is after all open
> source.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hope I've not put noses out of joint?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Justin.
> > >
> > >
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