Michael, I think you make some good points here. However, I have two problems with what you are saying.
First of all the tone is discouraging to other users. There's got to be a better way to explain yourself without giving the impression that if you don't know this stuff then you will never be able to work with Red5. I know you don't intend them to be, but sometimes your statements come off as being a bit insulting. Secondly, I think that your definition of basics is way more advanced than what others are needing at first. I think that Hank's suggestion of some documentation to get users up and running with little knowledge is a very good one. It is possible to build things with Red5 as it currently is without understanding how to deal with servlets, Spring beans and Java scripting support. The basics should be really basic. Think of the examples that John mentioned earlier that he was able to do with little or no knowledge of Java and Spring beans. After the user has gotten Red5 up and running and is able to get some stuff working, then he/she will more than likely need to get more advanced help like what you are suggesting. Does this make sense? It sure does to Hank, John and me. -Chris On 11/10/06, Michael Klishin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 12:35 -0500, hank williams wrote: > > > With all due respect Michael, it is indeed possible to create highly > > productive development tools that do not have steep learning curves. I > > am very much a noob, but I know that I like to be able to get > > productive quickly and then learn little bits as I go. If I have to > > learn a whole bunch of stuff before I can do anything I tend to quit, > > unless its really necessary. Honestly, I think my perspective is > > pretty common. > > Once again, you don't hear me... "bunch of stuff, blah blah blah". > Basics. Learn just basics and you'll understand everything. Read how > Tomcat projects are organized, 3 pages and you'll understand what goes > where. > http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/appdev/deployment.html > > Read 5 more about beans and you'll unserstand what you're configuring. > http://www.springframework.org/docs/reference/beans.html#beans-basics > > Read chapter 24 and you'll see a lot of examples of using Ruby and > Groovy with Spring. > http://www.springframework.org/docs/reference/dynamic-language.html > > Several pages about JavaScript usage in Java apps (scroll down to > examples): > http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/J2SE/Desktop/scripting/ > > Red5 IDE based on Eclipse with a new project wizard. Is it a way to go? > I can start working on it but this will delay my RTMP exploring to help > Luke with bug fixing in streaming. > > -- > Michael, > > puts self.inspect # => { Flex, Red5, Java, Ruby, insomnia } > > > _______________________________________________ > Red5 mailing list > [email protected] > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org > _______________________________________________ Red5 mailing list [email protected] http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
