On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 10:33, Taylor, Bryant wrote: > Boy Cliff, > > You just love to come on here and Flame people.
C'mon. That's not flaming. I try to avoid ad hominem attacks (and feel free to call me on it if I don't) and stick to addressing the ideas and opinions that I consider unreasonable or wrong. When people make what I take to be unreasonable statements (especially when they do it in such an inflammatory way) I find it difficult to refrain from demonstrating the unreasonableness of their position. Call it a personality flaw if you like. To let such things go unanswered would seem to be conceding the point and giving validity to their claims. Further, if someone clarifies or manages to come up with a reasonable argument to support their claims, I am usually (or try to be) willing to concede points. > I think the big thing to think about is the fact that for the most part > the Linux Community has been dying to push MS aside in the Desktop This is mostly true (some people just want the best tool for the job, OSS or not). But at the same time, you must concede that many of the things that the Linux desktop has lacked are what is available in newer versions of RH (especially GNOME 2 and 2.2). But using these technologies means compatibility problems. What should they do? Avoid the technology that will bring them closer to having a decent desktop? Will they then be criticised for not keeping up to date? Can they win either way? Most of the incompatibilities you see in a new version of RH (or any other distro) are the result of advances and incompatibilities introduced by the *projects* that RH builds on, not just RH. When GNOME2 came out, RH did their best to ensure that GNOME1 apps would still run under the new environment. Can they fix GNOME2 to make it compatible with GNOME1? Not likely. RH has no control over the GNOME project. Could they have chosen to forego the upgrade? Sure, but then people would complain about not having AA fonts and other niceties that GNOME2 provides. The bottom line is that significant technical advances and compatibility are almost mutually exclusive or require resources beyond what any OSS project, commercial or not, would be able to muster. > market, but to do that their really needs to be better open/non-open > support when they release their OS. Maybe they should create some > agreements with Ximian. That doesn't seem unreasonable. Unfortunately Ximian tends to be a little slow on the uptake (they are probably spread thin on resources, especially with the transition to GNOME2). They still haven't released Ximian Desktop for RH 8 (although they do have Red Carpet and Evolution). That may become moot as I doubt Ximian Desktop is going to be a big improvement over what you get with a stock RH 8 or 9 install. That might be for the best so that Ximian can focus on Evolution and their proprietary solutions (Connector, et al). The bottom line is that 9 hasn't even seen a general release yet. Anyone who is running it today is an "early adopter" and should expect some problems (such as third-party apps not running). Give Ximian a couple of weeks and then complain to *them* if Connector still hasn't been ported to 9. Regards, -- Cliff Wells, Software Engineer Logiplex Corporation (www.logiplex.net) (503) 978-6726 x308 (800) 735-0555 x308 -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
