On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 01:10:10PM -0500, Brian Ashe wrote:
: I am quite aware of that. But, it proves that it is not the ultimate in
: programming as so many claim. I think it is excellent software, but if there
: are flaws in one place, should I assume that there can be no others?
And sendmail is free of flaws? Did Eric Allman just send you a pizza or
something? :-)
: I would never recommend against using Postfix, but in the time it took
: Postfix to mature, Sendmail has done better then it used to. Trust me I was
: always quite frustrated with the frequent updates for root compromises. But
: upgrading was always easy enough (rpm -Uvh sendmail*.rpm) and since I pay
: attention, it put me at less risk.
For me, it's:
rpm -e --nodeps sendmail sendmail-cf
rpm -ivh postfix...... (right after I build postfix from SRPM)
Easy to install, easy to upgrade...
: Yes, but if you've read it, you would see that it is much more Debian
: friendly then RH, etc. friendly. The OSI rarely concerns itself with what
: legal liabilities a _commercial_ distribution might face for using a
: particular product in their distro.
You can purchase "official" Debian CDs too. The distributions are, IMHO,
equivalent. You can download the software, you can download ISOs, you
can pay for "unofficial" copies, or you can pay for "official" copies of
each.
: Have you been sitting at a table with the CFO, CEO, etc. of a
: company and tried to use those reports to sell them on Linux? They get an
: "Oh.", and that's about it. When the mind set changes in the top brass, they
: may have more impact, but until then those reports only can put people over
: the top if they were already on the edge (usually from the OS crashing).
The company officials that I've spoken to must be very different from the
ones you've seen. The ones I've seen are concerned about why they are
experiencing downtime and how to abate the condition. The conversation
usually goes something like this:
Why is our web server down? I've been trying to use it all morning.
Our web server uses Microsoft's IIS. It's vulnerable to the security
problems you've been seeing on the news. Operations staff hasn't
been 100% up to date on security patches, so we got hit.
....fast forward ahead a couple of server-crippling worms later...
Why are we down again?
We're still using Microsoft IIS.
That software seems to have a lot of problems. Is there anything you can
do?
I recommend we stop using software that's as bug-ridden as IIS.
Ok, get a plan together and do it.
Maybe you're just not convincing enough... ;-)
: Yes, but the IT guys make few of the decisions (at least in most of the
: companies I've had to deal with. They can make recommendations, but often
: get ignored if the salespeople that come in are really good. And M$
: salespeople are REALLY good at what they do.
You're absolutely right - it's not the IT guy, it's his boss' boss that
does. *THAT* is the guy who lives and dies by those analyst reports.
--
Jason Costomiris <>< | Technologist, geek, human.
jcostom {at} jasons {dot} org | http://www.jasons.org/
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
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