John, I have never understood this thing you have for the word "feel"
Anyway, I agree that wins should only be available to starters. On 7/26/10, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> wrote: > Tom, > > Ha > > > > Ray, > > Are you saying that all the stats are merely a guide to how you might > feel about a pitcher's effectiveness? > > > > "Wins" is only a good stat for starters. That has been my position. > > And it is defensible as a good indicator for starters. As is ERA. > > > > John > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Salemi > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 10:55 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Fixing "Wins" > > > > I also think the terms wins and losses are too divisive for our > children. I think we should start calling all decisions co-victories. > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yesterday we saw that "Wins" as we count them today are a useless > pitching stat. They are only vaguely correlated to the skill of a > pitcher and can be picked up through sheer luck. > > > > That said, I think it would be good to have better "counting" stats for > pitchers. Saves are an example of a decent counting stat. They measure > pitching in difficult situations. So if I were king of the world (a > horrible scenario) I'd like to see the following pitching stats. > > > > First a simple rule. All these stats only apply if the tying run is on > deck when the pitcher enters the game. They are counted when the > pitcher leaves the game. > > > > There are two basic stats: > > > > 1. The hold -- The team had the lead when the pitcher entered the game > and kept it when he left. > > 2. The blown hold -- The team had the lead or a tie when the pitcher > entered the game and didn't have it when he left. > > > > This gives us the following: > > > > 1. Win -- A hold that happens the inning after a team takes the lead > > 2. Loss -- A blown hold in a game where the team never regains the lead > > 3. Save -- A hold at the end of the game > > > > 4. Hold -- as defined > > 2. Blown hold -- as defined > > > > So in yesterday's game Oki would have gotten the loss and Aardmsa would > have gotten a Win and a Save. > > > > Ray > > > > > -- > Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" > www.fpgasimulation.com <http://www.fpgasimulation.com/> > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > <mailto:redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- Sent from my mobile device Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
