SI did a story last week on the heels of the "Moneyball" movie that details how Theo works. Carmine is the computer program they relay on heavily to evaluate players. The story did shed some light: Theo likes to let free agents go because of the draft picks he gets in return. That probably explains why he lets guys who have succeeded in Boston go. I just don't understand this from a management perspective. You know that Francona can win when he has guys who take their professionalism seriously. Some guys apparently start acting up and underperforming, and the solution is to get rid of the manager? -- Matt
________________________________ From: Tom Salemi <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Tito Out Unfortunately, his job is to get these knuckleheads to play. If he can't do it - even if it's not his fault - then he's not effective. He's a good man, though. Seems that way at least. I'm missing the Carmine jokes. Is that a computer thing? On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]> wrote: Or maybe they should fire that bastard Carmine. :) > > >From: Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:43 AM >Subject: Re: Tito Out > > > >Starting to read rumblings that players were a bit too entitled and not >focused on their jobs (e.g. pitchers drinking beer during games they weren't >pitching -- sounds like Lackey/Beckett to me); complaints about team buses & >stuff that had nothing to do with winning games). Based on my observations of >the team, which I grant are pretty fallible and uninformed -- I'm just telling >you what I perceive -- it wouldn't surprise me in the least. Something about >this team didn't look right to the naked eye. > >And if that's the case, I'm even more with Francona. Seems to me Francona >didn't see his job as having to tell players to act professionally. They're >paid a lot of money and you'd figure the need to act professionally would be >impressed upon them at contract time. > >Maybe Francona doesn't want to stay. But if I were running the club and that's >what I was facing, I'd clear out the problem players and keep a manager who >has demonstrated he knows what it takes to win. > >-- Matt > > >From: Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 10:16 AM >Subject: Re: Tito Out > > >Folks, we we just bypass the predictable media bashing. This is the way the >business works. You had the manager and general manager on a stage SAYING >that here were problems in the locker room. The reporters run out, make calls >to players and try to get as many specifics as we can. > > >And NO ONE in ANY business is giving to give information that can come back >and bite them (except for Kevin Millar who welcomed A-rod with open arms >before the trade was made. He had to apologize to Nomar.) They also might not >want to identify a teammate because they've got some sense of loyalty or fear. > > >As for the Captain, that stuff is largely ceremonial. I mean it works for a >while if the entire locker room buys into it. But if they don't, what the hell >is Tek going to do. Even if he tried to hit them with a bat he'd probably >miss. > > > > > > >On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: > >I wish for once, that someone would publish names. All of this hinting about >this stuff is bs. Who was 'lawless'? Who put their >>own interests before the teams? Why didn't the captain do anything about >>this? Isn't Tek culpable here too? Otherwise, why do >>you even have a captain? >> >> >> >>Dan D >>Central NJ USA >> >> >> From: Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 9:36 AM >>Subject: Re: Tito Out >> >> >> >>From the Herald... >> >> >>Discipline was clearly a problem, which is one of the perils of managing a >>high-priced team when some stars share a sense of entitlement. The Red Sox >>seemed content to ride their considerable talent out of the gates and ended >>up getting smacked in the face with a 2-10 start. >>A month later they were just 17-20 when Epstein traveled to New York and met >>privately with Francona and his coaches, a meeting Francona later described >>as “respectful,” to reinforce the need for the team to play passionate, >>fundamentally sound ball. >>The Sox rolled for the next four months, but their win totals often masked >>some fundamental flaws, flaws which became fatal in September when the >>clubhouse veered toward lawlessness and a number of players put their own >>interests ahead of those of Francona and the team. >>Francona admitted yesterday taking the incredible step of calling a team >>meeting on Sept. 7, one day after the Sox had pounded the Jays 14-0. >>“This team I think became challenging at the end,” Francona said. “There were >>some things I was worried about. We were spending too much energy on things >>that weren’t putting our best foot forward toward winning. >>“We spent a few minutes in the clubhouse that day talking about that. There >>were some things that did concern me. Normally as the season progresses, >>there are events that make you care about each other, and this club, it >>didn’t always happen as much as I wanted it to. And I was frustrated by >>that.” >>According to multiple sources with knowledge of the meeting, Francona was in >>part annoyed over complaints about the buses to the ballpark and wanted >>players to focus their energy more positively. >> >>On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>I do hope Theo stays. Not because of any man-love thing, I just like his >>approach (poor free agent record notwithstanding.) >>> >>> >>> >>>On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>Yeah, that's the talk around here on the morning shows. >>>> >>>> >>>>If I had to choose, I'd take him over the entire club house. But that isn't >>>>how it works. >>>> >>>> >>>>The wheels are definitely coming off the wagon. My antipathy for this team >>>>grows. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>Fox Sports reporting that he won' be back. >>>>> >>>>>Dan D >>>>>Central NJ USA >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>"Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>[email protected]. >>>>>For more options, visit this group at >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>> >> -- >>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>"Red Sox Citizens" group. >>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>[email protected]. >>For more options, visit this group at >>http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> >> >> >>-- >>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>"Red Sox Citizens" group. >>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>[email protected]. >>For more options, visit this group at >>http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> > -- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red >Sox Citizens" group. >To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >[email protected]. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > > -- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red >Sox Citizens" group. >To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >[email protected]. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red >Sox Citizens" group. >To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >[email protected]. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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