I don't see it either.  But it seemed important to Theo and Tito.  It's a
mystery.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]>wrote:

> I just don't see how chemistry made the entire pitching staff implode
> in the month of September. Chemistry didn't keep the team from being
> the best in baseball for four months. If Buchholz didn't get hurt or
> Lackey didn't suck or if Beckett, Lester and Bard pitched like
> Beckett, Lester and Bard the last two weeks of the season, the Sox
> would have won 95 games and would be playing the Rangers right now.
> And no one would be talking about chemistry.
>
> Steve O
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I learned a lot about baseball from this season and its collapse.
> > I had adopted a Strat-o-matic/Moneyball approach to baseball. You get a
> > bunch of players with a given level of skill.  You roll them out there
> 162
> > times, and the law of large numbers does the rest.  Sure, some guys some
> > guys get Crash Davis's 25 extra hits and some guys don't, but the whole
> > thing evens out.  You add it all up to runs for and runs against, do
> > pythagorus and you get your winning percentage and that tells you if you
> > make the playoffs.  It's all perfectly predictable.
> > I have to say that my attitude about baseball had taken away some of the
> > interest in the season.  While I love individual games, I saw all this
> > bullshit about hustle, and drive, and chemistry, as just ways of
> explaining
> > random effects.
> > This all changed for me with the Theo/Tito press conference.  I was
> amazed
> > at how much time they spent on the idea of whether players were watching
> > each other's backs.  I was surprised that chemistry was such a big issue.
> > And I can't deny that it was because there was nothing in the talent
> level
> > of the players that could predict how horribly they'd do in September.
>  You
> > don't go from a 96% chance of making the payoffs to missing them with a
> > random roll of the dice. Something else had to make the difference.
> > The other thing that struck me was the fact that you guys didn't like
> this
> > team.  That you didn't see the kind of spirit that you had seen in
> previous
> > teams.  Frankly, I thought that was just projection, but it looks like
> you
> > were seeing something that Theo and Tito were seeing as well, and that
> > something sunk us.
> > It was a hell of a year.  Kind of blew my mind and opened it up.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> And why did so many pitchers pitch poorly in September? Maybe some guys
> >> were drinking/partying too much. Maybe they weren't focused. I don't
> know. I
> >> wasn't there. But a guy drinking in the clubhouse during a game would
> worry
> >> me. What -- hotel bars don't serve beer after midnight?
> >>
> >> At the major league level, the talent level is so high that a partially
> >> focused or unfocused player won't succeed no matter how good he is. This
> >> isn't Strat-o-matic. Personal characteristics like focus, discipline and
> >> attitude matter -- even if it only makes 1 or 2 percent difference in
> player
> >> performance. If the Sox had won 1.2 percent more of their 2011 schedule,
> >> they'd be playing today.
> >>
> >> -- Matt
> >> From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]>
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 12:31 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Tito Out
> >>
> >> Still not sure how any of this pertains to EVERY pitcher on the staff
> >> throwing like crap for the final four weeks of the season. That's why
> >> they're out of the playoffs; not because Ellsbury doesn't like Youk,
> >> or Josh Beckett drinks beer.
> >>
> >> Steve O
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > SI did a story last week on the heels of the "Moneyball" movie that
> >> > details
> >> > how Theo works. Carmine is the computer program they relay on heavily
> to
> >> > evaluate players.
> >> >
> >> > The story did shed some light: Theo likes to let free agents go
> because
> >> > of
> >> > the draft picks he gets in return. That probably explains why he lets
> >> > guys
> >> > who have succeeded in Boston go.
> >> >
> >> > I just don't understand this from a management perspective. You know
> >> > that
> >> > Francona can win when he has guys who take their professionalism
> >> > seriously.
> >> > Some guys apparently start acting up and underperforming, and the
> >> > solution
> >> > is to get rid of the manager?
> >> >
> >> > -- Matt
> >> > From: Tom Salemi <[email protected]>
> >> > To: [email protected]
> >> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 12:09 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: Tito Out
> >> >
> >> > Unfortunately, his job is to get these knuckleheads to play. If he
> can't
> >> > do
> >> > it - even if it's not his fault - then he's not effective.
> >> > He's a good man, though. Seems that way at least.
> >> > I'm missing the Carmine jokes. Is that a computer thing?
> >> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley
> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Or maybe they should fire that bastard Carmine. :)
> >> > From: Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]>
> >> > To: "[email protected]" <
> [email protected]>
> >> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:43 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: Tito Out
> >> >
> >> > Starting to read rumblings that players were a bit too entitled and
> not
> >> > focused on their jobs (e.g. pitchers drinking beer during games they
> >> > weren't
> >> > pitching -- sounds like Lackey/Beckett to me); complaints about team
> >> > buses &
> >> > stuff that had nothing to do with winning games). Based on my
> >> > observations
> >> > of the team, which I grant are pretty fallible and uninformed -- I'm
> >> > just
> >> > telling you what I perceive -- it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
> >> > Something about this team didn't look right to the naked eye.
> >> >
> >> > And if that's the case, I'm even more with Francona. Seems to me
> >> > Francona
> >> > didn't see his job as having to tell players to act professionally.
> >> > They're
> >> > paid a lot of money and you'd figure the need to act professionally
> >> > would be
> >> > impressed upon them at contract time.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe Francona doesn't want to stay. But if I were running the club
> and
> >> > that's what I was facing, I'd clear out the problem players and keep a
> >> > manager who has demonstrated he knows what it takes to win.
> >> >
> >> > -- Matt
> >> > From: Tom Salemi <[email protected]>
> >> > To: [email protected]
> >> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 10:16 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: Tito Out
> >> >
> >> > Folks, we we just bypass the predictable media bashing. This is the
> way
> >> > the
> >> > business works. You had the manager and general manager on a stage
> >> > SAYING
> >> >  that here were problems in the locker room. The reporters run out,
> make
> >> > calls to players and try to get as many specifics as we can.
> >> > And NO ONE in ANY business is giving to give information that can come
> >> > back
> >> > and bite them (except for Kevin Millar who welcomed A-rod with open
> arms
> >> > before the trade was made. He had to apologize to Nomar.) They also
> >> > might
> >> > not want to identify a teammate because they've got some sense of
> >> > loyalty or
> >> > fear.
> >> > As for the Captain, that stuff is largely ceremonial. I mean it works
> >> > for a
> >> > while if the entire locker room buys into it. But if they don't, what
> >> > the
> >> > hell is Tek going to do. Even if he tried to hit them with a bat he'd
> >> > probably miss.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I wish for once, that someone would publish names. All of this hinting
> >> > about
> >> > this stuff is bs. Who was 'lawless'? Who put their
> >> > own interests before the teams? Why didn't the captain do anything
> about
> >> > this? Isn't Tek culpable here too? Otherwise, why do
> >> > you even have a captain?
> >> >
> >> > Dan D
> >> > Central NJ USA
> >> >
> >> > From: Tom Salemi <[email protected]>
> >> > To: [email protected]
> >> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 9:36 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: Tito Out
> >> >
> >> > From the Herald...
> >> > Discipline was clearly a problem, which is one of the perils of
> managing
> >> > a
> >> > high-priced team when some stars share a sense of entitlement. The Red
> >> > Sox
> >> > seemed content to ride their considerable talent out of the gates and
> >> > ended
> >> > up getting smacked in the face with a 2-10 start.
> >> > A month later they were just 17-20 when Epstein traveled to New York
> and
> >> > met
> >> > privately with Francona and his coaches, a meeting Francona later
> >> > described
> >> > as “respectful,” to reinforce the need for the team to play
> passionate,
> >> > fundamentally sound ball.
> >> > The Sox rolled for the next four months, but their win totals often
> >> > masked
> >> > some fundamental flaws, flaws which became fatal in September when the
> >> > clubhouse veered toward lawlessness and a number of players put their
> >> > own
> >> > interests ahead of those of Francona and the team.
> >> > Francona admitted yesterday taking the incredible step of calling a
> team
> >> > meeting on Sept. 7, one day after the Sox had pounded the Jays 14-0.
> >> > “This team I think became challenging at the end,” Francona said.
> “There
> >> > were some things I was worried about. We were spending too much energy
> >> > on
> >> > things that weren’t putting our best foot forward toward winning.
> >> > “We spent a few minutes in the clubhouse that day talking about that.
> >> > There
> >> > were some things that did concern me. Normally as the season
> progresses,
> >> > there are events that make you care about each other, and this club,
> it
> >> > didn’t always happen as much as I wanted it to. And I was frustrated
> by
> >> > that.”
> >> > According to multiple sources with knowledge of the meeting, Francona
> >> > was in
> >> > part annoyed over complaints about the buses to the ballpark and
> wanted
> >> > players to focus their energy more positively.
> >> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I do hope Theo stays. Not because of any man-love thing, I just like
> his
> >> > approach (poor free agent record notwithstanding.)
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Yeah, that's the talk around here on the morning shows.
> >> > If I had to choose, I'd take him over the entire club house. But that
> >> > isn't
> >> > how it works.
> >> > The wheels are definitely coming off the wagon. My antipathy for this
> >> > team
> >> > grows.
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Fox Sports reporting that he won' be back.
> >> >
> >> > Dan D
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