I don't know. I'm certainly not going to move towards Yawkee-esque shame over this.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > Ray, > > The Globe agreed to ownership's interview terms: We'll tell you what we > want you to know provided you keep our names out of it. > > You can criticize the paper, I guess. But they're job is to get information > out there. If the price for that information is keeping out a "declined to > comment" sentence then so be it. Not too heavy a price. > > I mean, this happens in Washington all the time. Everything is on back > ground, not for attribution. > > -Tom > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Then how did that get past the self-respecting editor? >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> *Here's what bothers me most about the article. At no point does Hohler >>> tell us that Lucchino, Henry or Warner refused to comment. He doesn't even >>> mention the Trio except to describe the owner of the yacht.* >>> * >>> * >>> *He does cast a wide...* >>> * >>> * >>> *"This article is based on a series of interviews the Globe conducted >>> with individuals familiar with the Sox operation at all levels. Most >>> requested anonymity out of concern for their jobs or potential damage to >>> their relationships in the organization. Others refused to comment or did >>> not respond to interview requests."* >>> * >>> * >>> *But to not SPECIFICALLY state that he reached out to the ownership and >>> they declined to comment tells me one thing.* >>> * >>> * >>> *They did comment on the grounds that he not drag them into the story. >>> And he probably refused to insert "declined to comment" because they >>> actually had commented.* >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't get this. >>>> >>>> First you said that no self-respecting editor would publish an article >>>> without at least being able to say that the ownership declined to comment. >>>> But then when they did publish an article without reference to the >>>> ownership commenting, you say the paper is doing it's job. >>>> >>>> So I'm confused now as to what you're saying. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> The problem is the paper printing the article? >>>>> >>>>> The paper is doing its job. >>>>> >>>>> I am assuming they are the sources or they authorized sources to speak >>>>> on their behalf. I can't believe that Hohler would have collected this >>>>> from >>>>> minions and NOT called ownership for a comment. >>>>> >>>>> Assume he did, why wouldn't they go on the record saying something >>>>> like: "we're not going to make accusations of our former manager" and >>>>> distance themselves from the story? >>>>> >>>>> So are you assuming Hohler didn't call Henry/Lucchino for comment? I'd >>>>> say that's far less likely than Lucchino spreading stuff around. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> How does the self-respecting editor let it pass without that? >>>>>> >>>>>> I mean, you're assuming that they are the sources, but the real >>>>>> problem is the reporter and paper printing the piece as is. The owners >>>>>> may, >>>>>> or may not, be the sources, but there is no way to tell for sure. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> And my point about the commenting is this. They DID comment, but they >>>>>>> didn't want the comments tied to them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Otherwise, no respectable editor would let this article pass without >>>>>>> telling the reporter, "This is some pretty damning stuff. Did you talk >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> the owners? If so, can we at least put in here that John Henry or >>>>>>> Lucchino >>>>>>> declined to comment." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, I think they basically authorized the article. Happens everytime >>>>>>>> someone leaves town. The bad stuff flows out like a sewer pipe. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is a fairly tight ship. I think it only loosens up when Larry & >>>>>>>> Co. want it to loosen up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This seems a bit harsh. Why do you say that? Just because they >>>>>>>>> didn't want to comment on the article? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Tom Salemi >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm beginning to feel some shame about this ownership. 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