Cheers!
On 5 April 2012 19:55, Muthu, Dhanasekaran - (dhanas) <[email protected]> wrote: > Edward, > > I used relax-1.3_tickcount_fix.Darwin.dmg. > > I really appreciate you are working on this. > > Thanks, > Dhanas > > > > On Apr 5, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Edward d'Auvergne wrote: > >> Hi Dhanas, >> >> Could you say which DMG file you are using? I'm currently building an >> entirely new Mac 'Framework' for Python/numpy/scipy/wxPython, and >> hopefully I can use this to produce a working relax app for Lion >> users. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Edward >> >> >> >> On 5 April 2012 19:41, Muthu, Dhanasekaran - (dhanas) >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi Edward, >>> >>> It is not working on my Mac machine running Lion. The icon bounces few >>> times after double clicking. But do nothing. >>> >>> -Dhanas Muthu >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 5, 2012, at 8:32 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Send relax-users mailing list submissions to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/relax-users >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of relax-users digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion? >>>> (Edward d'Auvergne) >>>> 2. Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion? >>>> (Martin Ballaschk) >>>> 3. Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion? >>>> (Ben Eisenbraun) >>>> 4. Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion? >>>> (Edward d'Auvergne) >>>> 5. Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion? >>>> (Edward d'Auvergne) >>>> 6. Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion? >>>> (Ben Eisenbraun) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:31:53 +0200 >>>> From: "Edward d'Auvergne" <[email protected]> >>>> To: Ben Eisenbraun <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion? >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <CAED9pY_8JZLPeCxbwKdRDQaZrd6scOqW0dXG5Sk51=fdope...@mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I have now created a little ugly hack in the relax main 1.3 line to >>>> work around the Mac Application problem with the missing >>>> Carbon.Evt.TickCount error message (due to Python version issues). >>>> This is as I described at >>>> https://mail.gna.org/public/relax-users/2012-04/msg00021.html, the >>>> command line argument emulation has been turned off relax now works >>>> around this. I have created a special relax application DMG file for >>>> testing at http://download.gna.org/relax/. The temporary file is >>>> called relax-1.3_tickcount_fix.Darwin.dmg (with a md5sum of >>>> d2b2c4455ea9783023d81e096e22072f). Could I ask anyone who is >>>> suffering from, or who can trigger, this TickCount problem if you >>>> could check and see if the problem is now eliminated? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Edward >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5 April 2012 10:33, Edward d'Auvergne <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Hi Ben, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for that info, that will really help in solving some of >>>>> these problems! ?I never though that one of the issues is that of the >>>>> machine architecture. ?This is obviously a multi-layer, i.e. not just >>>>> one failure point, problem with the py2app script for converting >>>>> Python programs/scripts into full Mac Applications >>>>> (http://wiki.python.org/moin/MacPython/py2app, >>>>> http://svn.pythonmac.org/py2app/py2app/trunk/doc/index.html). ?I might >>>>> have to approach this in a number of ways, some fixes will probably >>>>> allow relax to run for some Mac users while others will not be so >>>>> lucky. ?In the first attack, I will try to eliminate this TickCount >>>>> problem. ?This seams to be a problem with program argument emulation >>>>> on the Mac with certain Python versions. ?A solution is posted at >>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3461983/evt-tickcount-not-found-with-python2-6-on-osx-10-6-3, >>>>> where the suggested code is: >>>>> >>>>> APP = ['MyApp.py'] >>>>> OPTIONS = { >>>>> ? 'argv_emulation': False, >>>>> ? ... >>>>> } >>>>> >>>>> setup( >>>>> ? ?app=APP, >>>>> ? ?options={'py2app': OPTIONS}, >>>>> ? ?setup_requires=['py2app'], >>>>> ) >>>>> >>>>> In relax's py2app setup.py script, the 'argv_emulation' is currently >>>>> set to True (see >>>>> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/relax/1.3/setup.py?revision=15481&content-type=text%2Fplain). >>>>> ?relax currently requires arguments, but maybe I can hack the code to >>>>> catch this and skip the argument processing. ?But only for this >>>>> situation as the prompt/scripting UI modes will be important for some >>>>> users. >>>>> >>>>> This fix doesn't solve the problem of the py2app created relax app not >>>>> using the bundled Python version and internal Python modules, so some >>>>> users will still be affected by that. ?For some people this is not an >>>>> issue while for others it causes relax to fail. >>>>> >>>>> A third problem might be in the wxPython code, as was seen and >>>>> reported by Jack Howarth when creating the Fink distribution of relax >>>>> (see the threads starting at >>>>> https://mail.gna.org/public/relax-users/2012-03/msg00053.html and >>>>> https://mail.gna.org/public/relax-users/2012-04/msg00003.html, and >>>>> http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/browse.php?name=relax). ?This will >>>>> probably also affect those who install relax from the sources >>>>> distribution file >>>>> (http://www.nmr-relax.com/download.html#Source_code_release). ?The >>>>> problem might require a workaround inside the relax GUI code. ?I will >>>>> try to tackle each problem one by one, and hopefully as each is solved >>>>> more and more users will have luck in running relax in GUI mode on the >>>>> Mac. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Edward >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> P. S. ?For those users who can currently run the relax application in >>>>> GUI mode from the DMG file, these fixes should not affect you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4 April 2012 18:58, Ben Eisenbraun <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Edward, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am seeing the same issues reported by others. >>>>>> >>>>>> ?$ open /programs/i386-mac/relax/1.3.14/relax.app >>>>>> >>>>>> Output in Console.app: >>>>>> >>>>>> 4/4/12 12:15:26.639 PM [0x0-0x18a28a1].com.nmr-relax.relax: Traceback >>>>>> (most recent call last): >>>>>> 4/4/12 12:15:26.639 PM [0x0-0x18a28a1].com.nmr-relax.relax: ? File >>>>>> "/nfs/programs/i386-mac/relax/1.3.14/relax.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py", >>>>>> line 126, in <module> >>>>>> 4/4/12 12:15:26.640 PM [0x0-0x18a28a1].com.nmr-relax.relax: ? ? >>>>>> _argv_emulation() >>>>>> 4/4/12 12:15:26.640 PM [0x0-0x18a28a1].com.nmr-relax.relax: ? File >>>>>> "/nfs/programs/i386-mac/relax/1.3.14/relax.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py", >>>>>> line 124, in _argv_emulation >>>>>> 4/4/12 12:15:26.640 PM [0x0-0x18a28a1].com.nmr-relax.relax: ? ? >>>>>> _get_argvemulator().mainloop() >>>>>> 4/4/12 12:15:26.640 PM [0x0-0x18a28a1].com.nmr-relax.relax: ? File >>>>>> "/nfs/programs/i386-mac/relax/1.3.14/relax.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py", >>>>>> line 63, in mainloop >>>>>> 4/4/12 12:15:26.640 PM [0x0-0x18a28a1].com.nmr-relax.relax: ? ? stoptime >>>>>> = Evt.TickCount() + timeout >>>>>> 4/4/12 12:15:26.640 PM [0x0-0x18a28a1].com.nmr-relax.relax: >>>>>> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'TickCount' >>>>>> 4/4/12 12:15:26.715 PM relax: relax Error >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a problem related to Carbon support in 32-bit vs 64-bit Python. I >>>>>> can reproduce this on the command line in 10.6 and 10.7 like so: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?$ type python >>>>>> python is hashed (/usr/bin/python) >>>>>> ?$ python >>>>>> Python 2.7.1 (r271:86832, Jun 16 2011, 16:59:05) >>>>>> [GCC 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2335.15.00)] on >>>>>> darwin >>>>>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>>>>>>>> from Carbon import Evt >>>>>>>>> Evt.TickCount() >>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>>>>> ?File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> >>>>>> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'TickCount' >>>>>> >>>>>> And it's because the 64-bit Python doesn't have full Carbon support: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?$ export VERSIONER_PYTHON_PREFER_32_BIT=true >>>>>> ?$ python >>>>>> Python 2.7.1 (r271:86832, Jun 16 2011, 16:59:06) >>>>>> [GCC 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2335.15.00)] on >>>>>> darwin >>>>>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>>>>>>>> from Carbon import Evt >>>>>>>>> Evt.TickCount() >>>>>> 278493166 >>>>>> >>>>>> Similar thread here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3461983/evt-tickcount-not-found-with-python2-6-on-osx-10-6-3 >>>>>> >>>>>> I can run the relax binary directly if I force 32-bit: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?$ arch -i386 relax.app/Contents/MacOS/relax >>>>>> >>>>>> And I can get the relax.app bundle to work if I lipo the relax binary: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?$ mv relax relax.orig >>>>>> ?$ lipo -thin i386 -output relax relax.orig >>>>>> >>>>>> I tried various other ways of forcing 32-bitness for Python: lipo'ing the >>>>>> python binaries, export VERISONER_PYTHON_PREFER_32_BIT=true, >>>>>> LSArchitecturePriority in the Info.plist without effect. >>>>>> >>>>>> -ben >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> | Ben Eisenbraun >>>>>> | SBGrid Consortium ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?| http://sbgrid.org ? ? ? | >>>>>> | Harvard Medical School ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | http://hms.harvard.edu ?| >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:47:47 +0200 >>>> From: Martin Ballaschk <[email protected]> >>>> To: "Edward d'Auvergne" <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion? >>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Edward, >>>> >>>> On 05.04.2012, at 15:31, Edward d'Auvergne wrote: >>>> >>>>> Could I ask anyone who is >>>>> suffering from, or who can trigger, this TickCount problem if you >>>>> could check and see if the problem is now eliminated? >>>> >>>> Still failing here: >>>> >>>> $ open relax.app >>>> >>>> Console errors: >>>> 05.04.12 15:42:38,708 [0x0-0x625625].com.nmr-relax.relax: Please install >>>> the wx Python module to access the relax GUI. >>>> >>>> $ cd /Applications/relax.app/Contents/MacOS/ >>>> $ ./relax >>>> Please install the wx Python module to access the relax GUI. >>>> $ ./python >>>> python: posix_spawn: /Applications/relax.app/Contents/MacOS/python2.6: No >>>> such file or directory >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But when forcing 32bit/i386 by using "arch" it works. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Martin >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Martin Ballaschk >>>> AG Schmieder >>>> Leibniz-Institut f?r Molekulare Pharmakologie >>>> Robert-R?ssle-Str. 10 >>>> 13125 Berlin >>>> [email protected] >>>> Tel.: +49-30-94793-234/315 >>>> B?ro: A 1.26 >>>> Labor: C 1.10 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:20:54 -0400 >>>> From: Ben Eisenbraun <[email protected]> >>>> To: "Edward d'Auvergne" <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion? >>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> Hi Edward, >>>> >>>>> A solution is posted at >>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3461983/evt-tickcount-not-found-with-python2-6-on-osx-10-6-3, >>>> >>>> I saw that suggestion when I read the thread yesterday. If you're willing >>>> to give up the 64-bit version, this thread might also be useful: >>>> >>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7472301/how-to-force-py2app-to-run-app-in-32-bit-mode >>>> >>>>> This fix doesn't solve the problem of the py2app created relax app not >>>>> using the bundled Python version and internal Python modules, so some >>>>> users will still be affected by that. >>>> >>>> Yesterday when I was looking at this, I added a 'print sys.executable' to >>>> __boot__.py and got: >>>> >>>> 4/4/12 12:40:10.353 PM [0x0-0x18ac8ab].com.nmr-relax.relax: >>>> /nfs/programs/i386-mac/relax/1.3.14/relax.app/Contents/MacOS/python >>>> >>>> And it doesn't change regardless of what PythonExecutable or >>>> PyRunTimeLocation is set to in the Info.plist. So it appears that it is >>>> calling the correct binary, but the Contents/MacOS/python is just a binary >>>> wrapper for some other python? I suppose I should read the py2app docs at >>>> some point. >>>> >>>> -ben >>>> >>>> -- >>>> | Ben Eisenbraun >>>> | SBGrid Consortium | http://sbgrid.org | >>>> | Harvard Medical School | http://hms.harvard.edu | >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 4 >>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:49:08 +0200 >>>> From: "Edward d'Auvergne" <[email protected]> >>>> To: Ben Eisenbraun <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion? >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <caed9py-023fueuhgvpdvwdk7r3rwxybn_klyv+yoom5wzwa...@mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>>>> A solution is posted at >>>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3461983/evt-tickcount-not-found-with-python2-6-on-osx-10-6-3, >>>>> >>>>> I saw that suggestion when I read the thread yesterday. If you're willing >>>>> to give up the 64-bit version, this thread might also be useful: >>>>> >>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7472301/how-to-force-py2app-to-run-app-in-32-bit-mode >>>> >>>> Is it worth having a 64-bit x86 version? Would any Mac users need or >>>> use this? I was hoping to distribute a working Universal binary. >>>> Forcing the i386 architecture may cause problems for people on old ppc >>>> machines, so I would like to find a more elegant solution than forcing >>>> i386 on all Mac users. I could set the LSArchitecturePriority >>>> Info.plist value to i386 and ppc in the py2app 'setup.py' script and >>>> then recreate the app, then maybe this would be a solution. But there >>>> must be a better way. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> This fix doesn't solve the problem of the py2app created relax app not >>>>>> using the bundled Python version and internal Python modules, so some >>>>>> users will still be affected by that. >>>>> >>>>> Yesterday when I was looking at this, I added a 'print sys.executable' to >>>>> __boot__.py and got: >>>>> >>>>> 4/4/12 12:40:10.353 PM [0x0-0x18ac8ab].com.nmr-relax.relax: >>>>> /nfs/programs/i386-mac/relax/1.3.14/relax.app/Contents/MacOS/python >>>>> >>>>> And it doesn't change regardless of what PythonExecutable or >>>>> PyRunTimeLocation is set to in the Info.plist. So it appears that it is >>>>> calling the correct binary, but the Contents/MacOS/python is just a binary >>>>> wrapper for some other python? I suppose I should read the py2app docs at >>>>> some point. >>>> >>>> The Contents/MacOS/python file is strange. It is not python, but a >>>> wrapper to the real Python binary (with a capital P) located somewhere >>>> else in the relax.app file hierarchy. From memory (I cannot find the >>>> docs at the moment), this is a special file which suppresses the >>>> prompt mode of Python and allows it interact properly as a Mac >>>> application (with the menus, dock, etc.). >>>> >>>> I could be wrong, but the Mac Info.plist files seem to only be a front >>>> to what is actually inside the app, so changing it does nothing. I >>>> don't know why it is pointing to the wrong Python version, but this is >>>> clearly a problem with the py2app script (or the relax setup.py >>>> configuration file). The sys.executable print outs in the Mac Console >>>> app should be correct though. I think I might now go and investigate >>>> the wxPython install that comes with Xcode 3.2.6 using the 'file' >>>> program. I wonder if these binaries are truly 'Universal'? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Edward >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 5 >>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:15:59 +0200 >>>> From: "Edward d'Auvergne" <[email protected]> >>>> To: Martin Ballaschk <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion? >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <caed9py_q1kaotn+stdzpjpd7hagje5tokubrjv8koqcs5w6...@mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Ok, that's great news. Using the 'open' command and forcing i386 will >>>> allow the Python and Python modules bundled with the relax app to be >>>> used rather than the system installed versions. I now know that I >>>> have to go hunt down an Universal binary architecture problem. I have >>>> a feeling that something that comes with Xcode 3.2.6 is not properly >>>> set up as a Universal binary. But at least you can run relax by >>>> forcing the machine architecture! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Edward >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5 April 2012 15:47, Martin Ballaschk <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Edward, >>>>> >>>>> On 05.04.2012, at 15:31, Edward d'Auvergne wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Could I ask anyone who is >>>>>> suffering from, or who can trigger, this TickCount problem if you >>>>>> could check and see if the problem is now eliminated? >>>>> >>>>> Still failing here: >>>>> >>>>> $ open relax.app >>>>> >>>>> Console errors: >>>>> 05.04.12 15:42:38,708 [0x0-0x625625].com.nmr-relax.relax: Please install >>>>> the wx Python module to access the relax GUI. >>>>> >>>>> $ cd /Applications/relax.app/Contents/MacOS/ >>>>> $ ./relax >>>>> Please install the wx Python module to access the relax GUI. >>>>> $ ./python >>>>> python: posix_spawn: /Applications/relax.app/Contents/MacOS/python2.6: No >>>>> such file or directory >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But when forcing 32bit/i386 by using "arch" it works. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Martin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Martin Ballaschk >>>>> AG Schmieder >>>>> Leibniz-Institut f?r Molekulare Pharmakologie >>>>> Robert-R?ssle-Str. 10 >>>>> 13125 Berlin >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> Tel.: +49-30-94793-234/315 >>>>> B?ro: A 1.26 >>>>> Labor: C 1.10 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 6 >>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:31:51 -0400 >>>> From: Ben Eisenbraun <[email protected]> >>>> To: "Edward d'Auvergne" <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion? >>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> Hi Edward, >>>> >>>>> Is it worth having a 64-bit x86 version? >>>> >>>> Does relax need to access more than 4 GB of RAM per process/thread? I think >>>> that's still the main deciding factor in the 32/64-bit choice. Apple claims >>>> that 64-bit apps can see a 5-15% performance increase depending on workload >>>> due to the extra general purpose CPU registers available in 64-bit mode. >>>> *shrug* >>>> >>>> Among my user population, we have very few PPC users left. The stats from >>>> our ~425 OS X users in March: >>>> >>>> https://developer.sbgrid.org/~bene/consortium-stats/four.html >>>> https://developer.sbgrid.org/~bene/consortium-stats/five.html >>>> >>>> Given the current difficulties, my suggestion would be to simplify, >>>> simplify, simplify. :-) Once you have a stable package that is working for >>>> the most common platforms, i.e. OS X Intel 10.6/7, then add more options as >>>> necessary to satisfy the corner cases. >>>> >>>> As an aside, the linux packages work great on every distro I've tested: >>>> Red Hat/CentOS 5 and 6, Ubuntu 10.10 and 11.10, Debian 6, 32 and 64-bit for >>>> all of them. >>>> >>>> -ben >>>> >>>> -- >>>> | Ben Eisenbraun >>>> | SBGrid Consortium | http://sbgrid.org | >>>> | Harvard Medical School | http://hms.harvard.edu | >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> relax (http://www.nmr-relax.com) >>>> >>>> This is the relax-users mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, get a password >>>> reminder, or change your subscription options, >>>> visit the list information page at >>>> https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/relax-users >>>> >>>> End of relax-users Digest, Vol 69, Issue 12 >>>> ******************************************* >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> relax (http://www.nmr-relax.com) >>> >>> This is the relax-users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list, get a password >>> reminder, or change your subscription options, >>> visit the list information page at >>> https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/relax-users >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > relax (http://www.nmr-relax.com) > > This is the relax-users mailing list > [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this list, get a password > reminder, or change your subscription options, > visit the list information page at > https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/relax-users _______________________________________________ relax (http://www.nmr-relax.com) This is the relax-users mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe from this list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, visit the list information page at https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/relax-users
