El Dijous, 29 d'agost de 2013, a les 10:00:54, Martin Graesslin va escriure: > On Wednesday 28 August 2013 22:52:17 Jos Poortvliet wrote: > > On Friday 23 August 2013 22:10:32 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > > El Divendres, 23 d'agost de 2013, a les 08:49:19, Jos Poortvliet va > > > > escriure: > > > > On Thursday 22 August 2013 23:35:49 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > > > > El Dijous, 22 d'agost de 2013, a les 08:07:22, Jos Poortvliet va > > > > escriure: > > > > > > On Tuesday 20 August 2013 22:40:29 Mark wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Albert Astals Cid > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > El Dimarts, 20 d'agost de 2013, a les 01:54:48, Albert Astals > > > > > > > > Cid > > > > > > > > va > > > > > > > > > > > > escriure: > > > > > > > >> El Dimarts, 20 d'agost de 2013, a les 01:17:18, Aaron J. > > > > > > > >> Seigo > > > > > > > >> va > > > > > > > > > > > > escriure: > > > > > > > >> > On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 00:24:53 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > El Dilluns, 19 d'agost de 2013, a les 22:18:26, Aaron J. > > > > > > > >> > > Seigo > > > > > > > >> > > va > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> escriure: > > > > > > > >> > > > On Monday, August 19, 2013 22:14:26 Albert Astals Cid > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > There will be a 4.13? Most probably. > > > > > > > >> > > > > Will it be in 2014? For sure > > > > > > > >> > > > > Which month? Noone knows, you can probably guess > > > > > > > >> > > > > it'll > > > > be > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > between > > > > > > > >> > > > > Q2 > > > > > > > >> > > > > and > > > > > > > >> > > > > Q3 > > > > > > > >> > > > > since Q1 would mean <= 3 months of development and > > Q4 > > > > > > > > >> > > > > would > > > > > > > >> > > > > mean > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >= > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > 10 > > > > > > > >> > > > > months. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > unless we change the development cycle, which has not > > yet > > > > > > > > >> > > > been > > > > > > > >> > > > done, > > > > > > > >> > > > which > > > > > > > >> > > > month will 4.13 be in? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Are you disagreeing with the 4.12 schedule? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > No; however, on > > http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.12_Release_Schedule > > > it > > > > > > > > > >> > says > > > > > > > >> > “THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL YET” four times right at the top. I > > > > > > > >> > was > > > > > > > >> > under > > > > > > > >> > the > > > > > > > >> > impression that it was still being discussed and wasn’t ... > > > > > > > >> > you > > > > > > > >> > know > > > > > > > >> > .. > > > > > > > >> > official yet. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> It will be official when i get tired of waiting for people to > > > > > > > >> oppose > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > >> it. > > > > > > > >> If it makes you happier, I can declare it official now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There you go. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Albert > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Well, not now, i'm going to sleep now. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Cheers, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Albert > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > >> release-team mailing list > > > > > > > >> [email protected] > > > > > > > >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > release-team mailing list > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you just did means that KDE SC 4.12 will in fact be a 5 > > > > > > > month > > > > > > > release cycle. Earlier there was talk about outlining the future > > > > > > > releases. That blog/news item is probably going to have to take > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > new 5 month cycle into account. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. What about this then: > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > KDE frameworks 5 preview 1 December 2013 > > > > > > KDE frameworks 5 release 1st half 2014 > > > > > > KDE Workspaces 4.11 is last release (LTS) > > > > > > KDE Workspaces 2.0 preview 1st half 2014 > > > > > > KDE Workspaces 2.0 release 2nd half 2014 > > > > > > KDE Applications 4.12 December 18 2013 > > > > > > KDE Applications 4.13 June 2014 > > > > > > > > > > 4.12 and 4.13 will include kdelibs too (that have been almost-frozen > > > > > for > > > > > a > > > > > while but we still increase its version number on each release) > > > > > > > > > > Also we don't have a date for 4.13. > > > > > > > > > > It may well be May or July or even March or August since we haven't > > > > > started > > > > > planning for it and we can't do it since at Akademy it was agreed > > > > > we'd > > > > > do > > > > > a > > > > > shorter cycle (4.12) and then evaluate if that had worked or not, > > > > > and > > > > > to > > > > > evaluate it, we have to let 4.12 happen. > > > > > > > > > > So please be very clear June is a guessed month from your side since > > > > > the > > > > > Release Team has not started discussing about it. > > > > > > > > "As with any schedule for a major technological transition, please > > > > note > > > > that the above is subject to change." > > > > > > Are you saying 4.13 is "a major technological transition"? > > > > Really, is that a serious question or are you now just arguing to argue? > > Sjees. It obviously refers to the schedule. Which includes the change to > > Frameworks 5, Plasma Workspaces 2 etcetera. And yes, those are 'major > > technological transitions' and yes, I doubt anyone would not get that that > > has influence on the scheduling. Can we move on please? > > I think Albert has a valid point here. The release after 4.12 will be 4.13 > and not a "major technology transition". That one is happening at the same > time but does not affect the release of the SC at all. So from the release > team perspective which is currently only handling releases of KDE SC 4.x > it's business as usual. > > I think that needs to be incorporated into a statement to not give the > feeling that 4.12 will be the last release. > > > > Saying we have no plan not true. Our plan is do 4.13 planning once 4.12 > > > is > > > out of of the door, like we have been doing for all the releases for a > > > while. > > > > No, we were on a 6 month release cycle. While not every single date was > > fixed, everybody assumed the next release would come 6 months later. > > Changing that - fine, especially in the light of the big changes taking > > place anyway (libs frozen for a while, Workspaces now also frozen). > > Stating > > that we want to evaluate that change after the cycle - sure. But none of > > that is a reason not to state some kind of intent for what to do after > > that. And as I think that that is beneficial, I'd like to do that. > > We do have a plan. It's not a plan which tells the exact date, but it is a > plan. It's your task as the marketing team to put that into words which > doesn't sound like we don't have a plan ;-) > > I would go in the direction of: "The release schedule for 4.13 will be > drafted after the release of 4.12[1]. The release team intends to evaluate > the feedback from the slightly shortened 4.12 release cycle. Given the > current release cycle we expect the 4.13 release in May/June 2014".
I've talked to Jos offline and he has agreed to use "Q2/Q3 2014" (or something similar) as previously suggested on this thread instead of "June 2014". I do agree that adding the extra sentence you suggest would also be great as it would explain something we've always done as you explain in your footnote. Cheers, Albert > Cheers > Martin > > [1] This has always been the case. The next schedule is drafted after the > release. Might be an idea to add that point of data somehow. _______________________________________________ release-team mailing list [email protected] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
