On 2/18/20 2:13 PM, Luca Beltrame wrote:
In data martedì 18 febbraio 2020 19:26:21 CET, Nate Graham ha scritto:

Neon is already an OS, whether or not you want to admit it. It's
installed from an ISO. A hardware vendor (Slimbook) is shipping it on

Erm, where did I say that in my reply? ;)  I merely say that going "Neon or
else unsupported" is a very downstream-hostile attitude,

...And where did I say that in my reply? ;) I think we should absolutely continue to support all downstreams, not just Neon; that would be crazy! :) This is in fact why I'm advocating for an LTS Frameworks release to accompany the Plasma LTS release: to better support our non-Neon downstreams who want to freeze on the Plasma LTS releases. Right now we're pushing the job of backporting bugfixes to Frameworks onto them, rather than making it easy by just giving them tarballs. We can argue about what packagers should do, but the best way to get them to do that is to make it easy for them. :)


(Neon suffers from the same "LTS problem" for everything that's not KDE-made
software, FTR, but that's not the issue I want to raise here)

Indeed, and that's the reason why I'm happy with Tumbleweed. I'm quite on board with the seemingly prevailing opinion that discrete LTS releases amount to a broken, defective model. It's just that for the time being we have a product explicitly catering to distros using that broken, defective model. It just seems like an awkward situation that should be addressed one way or another, not left in tension indefinitely.

Nate

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