I really didn’t want to get into this, but, Marci, you are wrong with respect to some critical facts.  I am not going to address the first paragraph (or the third and the fourth, for that matter,) even though I entirely disagree with your position.  I am more concerned, however, with some of your claims in the second paragraph.  There are small groups with cohesive messages, like the Pagans, that have not obtained exemptions or accommodations.  Quite the contrary, they routinely get stomped on.  See Barner-Barry’s book on the subject.  Second, I have an article coming out in a few weeks that, by looking closely at the legal and other materials available to me covering the years leading up to National Prohibition, establishes that Catholics did not get the exemption for the use of sacramental wine during National Prohibition – the motive force for the exemption was the appeasement of Episcopalians.  (And I would hope that one day Catholics and Episcopalians would bring themselves to sit down and have an honest and frank discussion about the exemption and how it came to be.  For it is true that Catholics have routinely taken the credit for the exemption, and the facts don’t bear Catholics out.)  And there is no credible argument that anti-Catholicism did not high in the land in the period, say, 1910-1930.  Early twentieth-century anti-Catholicism is a fact.  On the child abuse matter, I find your reference to Baptists and Presbyterians providing backup support interesting.  But why isn’t the reverse the truth, that the Protestants were deeply involved in the subject and that there was a resulting interest convergence, just as was the case with National Prohibition?

 

Your use of the term “faith healing groups” masks the important fact that the real group in interest was the Christian Scientists.  A student in my church-state seminar last year, wrote a paper on how Christian Scientists were able to obtain these exemptions.  The answer is hard work, lots of money, and an ethnic identity with the law makers.  The native American Church finally got justice in Oregon, no thanks to the Courts, however.  I don’t know what to make of a claim that even though a group got pushed around – unnecessarily so – that because the finally got what they should have gotten earlier that things are somehow OK.  What is justice denied?  That small evangelical groups got exemptions is no big deal in a Protestant Empire.

 

Facts always trump political theory, I am afraid.  Some religious minorities fare better than others, no matter what the “theory” says.  People who say that things are going well with religious minorities should take the time to look at the narratives that suggest the contrary.  These narratives thoroughly demolish the “theories.”  And they make the case for exemptions on a case-by-case basis.  

 

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Doug--  You missed my point here.  Taking exemptions on a case-by-case basis is illegitimate, because it drives the consideration by the courts toward one individual believer and away from the larger public good that needs to be factored in.  Courts are simply inadequate to make that public good determination; they cannot hold hearings or consider facts beyond the record.  The record, instead, is manufactured by the parties, a fact you used to great and admirable advantage in the Lukumi case.

The factual premise that the legislative arena drives results toward mainstream religious practices and away from the smaller religions is not borne out in political theory (Mancur Olson's now widely accepted work showing that small groups with cohesive messages do better in the legis process than do disaggregated majorities), or in practice.  Faith-healing groups have obtained unimaginable numbers of exemptions from the laws intended to protect children --without the benefit of any Supreme Court publicity; the Native American Church is using peyote; and the military are wearing yarmulkes.  Small evangelical groups have obtained exemptions from the laws that govern safety in day care centers and camps.  Catholics even got an exemption for the use of sacramental wine during Prohibition when it is argued that anti-Catholic sentiment ran high in the land.   Clergy in many states are exempted from reporting childhood sexual abuse they know about -- a move pushed hardest by the Catholic Church (with the Baptists and the dwindling Presbyterians providing backup when desired). 

As an empirical matter, the compelling interest test and the least restrictive means test has led courts to focus on the believer at the expense of society, see, e.g., Yoder and most of Posner's free exercise decisions.  Yoder pays the slightest lip service to the public good in the midst of its love affair with the Amish. 

Legislatures have a time-honored and regularized procedure for hearing about individual cases.  Faxes, letters, and emails flow to them at a steady clip.  No constituent is barred from asking a legislator to address their concerns, and they hear about a lot.  If by "regularized procedure" you mean that the legislature does not listen to the individual according to the individual's own creation of a record, I'll agree.  But that is where the legislators can produce better accommodation results than a court.  They can search for the truth in a wide-ranging manner, the actual practices, and the full impact of the accommodation on those that might be victimized by it.  Of course, this latter move requires a legislature to ask the hard questions and not just to defer to religious entities,something they fail to do on a regular basis, but as the harm done by certain religious entities becomes clearer over time one can only hope that they will become more serious about their duties to their constituents.

Marci




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There is no "persistent claim that the only entity that matters in religious liberty cases is the believer."  The very point of the compelling interest test is to take account of all the other interests that matters, and preventing significant harm to others is always a compelling interest.

The reason legislatures properly delegate this judgment to courts in RFRA and similar legislation is that only courts can find facts in individual cases, only courts have to actually consider every case that is brought before them, and only courts recognize any obligation to be principled and to treat like cases alike.  Which is not to say that courts always live up to these ideals, or that courts always do better than legislatures.

But legislatures have no regularized procedure for bringing cases to their attention, no balanced procedure for hearing both sides and finding facts in individual cases, no obligation to take up politically difficult issues, and no obligation that legislators recognize to be principled or treat like cases alike.  Issue-by-issue legislative exemptions inevitably lead to favoritism in which politically popular, acceptable, or inoffensive religions get helpful responses and small, unpopular, or hard-to-explain religions get ignored.

Many high profile legislative exemptions were enacted after the religion that needed the exemption lost a case in the Supreme Court -- eg, peyote in many jurisdictions, yarmulkes in the military, the road in Lyng.  The publicity of a Supreme Court case can get you on the legislative agenda when nothing else did. 

Congress in its RFRA hearings wasn't even told about the most egregious cases of religious persecution in the 80s and early 90s -- Santeria and the jury verdicts against the Hare Krishnas, Scientologists, and other high-demand religions.  Everyone says Lukumi was an easy case, but Congress wouldn't touch it.  No Congressman wanted that used against him in his next race.  The only way Congress can protect the religions that most need protection is to enact a general standard and look to courts to apply that standard to individual cases.  RFRA and RLUIPA illustrate the only principled way to enact exemptions.

The Court has properly been concerned about exemptions that are too narrow or targeted, in Kiryas Joel and in Justice O'Connor's concurrence in Thornton v. Caldor.  It is only the opponents of religious liberty that demand the impossible -- legislatures acting case by case instead of enacting an even-handed principle subject to a standard.

Having said all that, specific legislative exemptions have a legitimate role in simplifying litigation by specifying that the legislature simply did not mean to regulate some religious practices.  But they leada to serious discrimination unless backed up by a general right to exemption subject to a standard.

Douglas Laycock

 

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