In connection with the discussion between the interplay between First Amendment rights and "harm to others," any thoughts on the recent action by the New York City Board of Health to enjoin a mohel from performing circumcisions, as he generally performs them? The facts are these:
As part of the circumcision, the mohel orally suctions blood from the wound. There has been much debate among Jewish law decisors about whether that is required practice, but it is certainly the normative practice among Hasidic Jews. Twin boys who were circumcised by this mohel contracted herpes. Tragically, one died. If the mohel tests positive for herpes, this is an easy case. But presume he tests negative, but tests positive for herpes antibodies (as do the vast majority of adult males)? Is this enough to bar the mohel - who has been practicing for forty years - from performing circumcisions? Is the City required to test the parents, hospital personnel and others before taking action against the mohel? Is the City required to establish a nexus between testing positive for antibodies and transmitting the virus? This is obviously a complex case, but it probably comes down to who has the burden of proof and what are the standards? Any thoughts? >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/11/05 8:43 AM >>> As usual, it appears that we will not be able to change one another's minds w/r/t the question whether piecemeal legislative accommodations are superior to, or more constitutionally acceptable than, judicial accommodations pursuant to a general statutory mandate. (And we're certainly not moving the conversation materially beyond where Chip and Doug and Michael McConnell and Bill Marshall and Jon Nuechterlein, and others, left it several years ago.) So let me ask another question, prompted by Marci's suggestion that accommodations that "harm others" are unconstitutional. Surely, harm to other private parties has played a large role in accommodation doctrine. The general notion that the state should not require private party A to suffer in the furtherance of B's religious objectives or beliefs is a compelling and recurrent theme, and it explains Thornton and Hardison, not to mention the important Harlan concurrence in Welsh and the Court's decisions to expand the military exemption beyond religious objectors in that case and in Seeger. And I agree with Marci that religious exemptions to vaccination statutes, and to child welfarre laws, should generally be unconstitutional because of the serious harms they cause. But then how to explain the two cases in which the Court has approved accommodations -- Zorach and Amos? We've recently discussed the serious harm to nonparticipating students in the release-time cases. And in Amos, the respondent (Mr. Mayson) lost his job of 16 years because he failed to qualify for a temple recommend. 483 U.S. at 330. No small harm to third parties. Is there any way to make sense of this aspect of accommodation doctrine? What role should harm to third parties play in assessing a religious exemption? ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions Ellis--- I'm not sure what you mean by across-the-board exemptions. If laws like RFRA, they are illegitimate, but if they are tailored to particular practices, and the public good does not suffer from the exemption, I think they are crucial to the proper balance of liberty and order. The one thing a society cannot do is wish away the intense power of religious belief in people's lives, whether that government is the Soviet Union when it tried unsuccessfully to destroy the Orthodox Church, China now trying to suppress Falun Gong and Christianity, or our country. Religion is a given part of human existence, and deserves to be given as much latitude as possible. Thus, the question is not whether, but where to draw the line on exemptions. A mandatory exemption system is inimical to the public good, especially those who are most vulnerable. But an exemption that harms others is contrary to the scheme of ordered liberty the Constitution constructs. Marci But why should they be granted across-the-board exemptions? It won't do to say that the First Amendment requires such, because that is the issue. Why should the First Amendment be interpreted to require such? _______________________________________________ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.