----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gettys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "G O Economou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Render] Render in X.org & other Xservers
Georgina, This is uncalled for. Impuning Alan's motives or questioning his Company's contributions is just unacceptable. First Alan is a spokesman for SUN. Alan as a person does not exist. To prove my point, would he, has he, ever said something that SUN would not condone? Next.... I do not think that you have the right to say that what I write is 'unacceptable'. This is not school and you are not my prof giving me a grade. I have every right to question SUN's motives and comments & I wonder what it is you are hiding that you will not allow it but instead retreat into your old and dusty tome. Could it be you are out of touch? Let me clarify...I don't deem you that you should pretend to be the torch bearer of XFREE86 as a simple extension of that old whore X. I think that is insulting & frankly I think you know better. I say this because YOU personally have done little for the XFREE86 project until the last 2-3 years at the most (I am being charitable). That leaves 7 years when it was a struggling project and not widely accepted that you were comfortably not aligned with it & on the side of establishment of proprietary Unix and it's sister X . In fact, from what I can see in the code base the same would be true of Keith; neither of you moved to XFREE86 until it was the establishment & now you try to take the torch and claim some kind of moral victory. Who are you kdding? People who don't know better? This rehashing of the MIT association is getting shop-worn; like some tiresome platitude that no one hears. Alan's concerns are very justified. I/you may not agree with all of them, but they are valid reasons for concern. I don't think SUN's concerns are valid at all. I think SUN should be doing more. Contributing more. Underwriting more. This project won't keep up with a cobbling of individual efforts. It needsd real money and developmental effort, real hardware, not what people can buy but pre-release not post. XFREE86 will not live on empty promises and pats on the back for PAST work. It needs committment to future work and future development. That is how MS reigns supreme it has the inside track; we are in constant catch mode. To prove my point, thanks to SUN and the band of 4 they all ship MS on most of their hardware because they did not embrace new technology in the form of X and thus are in danger of becoming INTEL clone shops. I shed only crocidile tears; they deserve their fate because they were not here in the front lines helping where it counted and now they are trying to take credit for something that never occurred? What sophistry. Over the years, Sun has made significant contributions to X code base: just go look at the copyrights. And they are a very active and valued contributor to Gnome currently (particularly Gnome 2). Gnome is not XFREE86. In case you did not know it, Xfree86 is not window manager specific. I think you should do so more homework. Perhaps you have forgotten the basics. Next you are going to tell me that old dowager X.org is the keeper of the standard....I hear violins, do you? Let us remember that there are many MANY I repeat MANY extensions that came out of XFREE86 that were NOT NOT I repeat NOT underwritten by any company but by sheer hard work of that individual. That in itself is the strongest testament against your argument. So your comments are badly out of place, in my view, and I've watched/been involved in X from its inception. Past is not prologue it is simply history. That's great since you were with X but my concern is XFREE86 not X. X is dead. XFree86 has replaced it. X was good in its time but we've moved on since that point. Jim we are not on the same page, you are still reciting history & I talking now and the future. Let's move on. My answer to Alan, beyond the answer that Keith has already given, is that the installed base of Linux systems is now much larger than Solaris, and XFree86 is justifiably proud of its record of upward compatibility, which is now 10 years and counting, compatible with a standard set in 1988, so it is compatible with applications of at least 14 years. We have a very large user base already using what has been implemented to date, and breaking this installed base isn't in the cards. High on the list, as Keith notes, is completion of the extension. The way all can help is to help with the implementation.and get this all wrapped up. Well you can start with your own companies and undewriting the development by hiring XFREE86 developers. Where do I send my resume, Jim? Are you SUN, HP/CPQ and IBM hiring? If not in the end MS wins and we both lose and then past will become prologue. Regards Georgina Economou PS And a HAPPY PALM SUNDAY to those celebrating it. Kala pascha. _______________________________________________ Render mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/render
