On Tuesday 13 August 2002 8:33 pm, Keith Packard wrote:
|  Around 18 o'clock on Aug 13, Vadim Plessky wrote:
|  > * what video drivers offer hardware support for RENDER ext.? // checked
|  > http://www.xfree86.org/4.2.0/RELNOTES2.html and found no asnwer for this
|
|  There is some support for Render acceleration in the Matrox driver and I
|  believe the closed-source Nvidia driver has a bit.  Mark is currently
|  designing a new XAA architecture which will include significant support
|  for Render.

So, we are (still) limited to Matrox cards and (aprtially) NVIDIA?
What about ST Microelectronics Kyro II and Intel 815/845 (built-in into 
chipsets)?

|
|  I'd like to see some work done on the Radeon driver as I have several of
|  those around the house these days.  It isn't tremendously hard to get
|  significant acceleration for many operations as Render provides an
|  extremely narrow interface within the X server.

I'd like to see support for ATi Rage Mobility (pre-Radeon), as that's the chip 
inside my Compaq Presario 1800 notebook.

|
|  > * are there any plans to migrate API similar to libart [1], [2] to X or
|  > one of its extensions?
|
|  Carl Worth and I are busy building Xr which provides a relatively
| low-level postscript-like API. 

Yes, I silently folow your discusion on <render> list...
And that's why I have asked wether there is an overlap with libart
I think it would be interesting to have integrated in X extensions some parts 
of libart .
Don't know though what Raph Levien thinks about this.

|  Xr is built on Xc which abstracts the
| compositing operators so that we can (eventually) emulate all of that on
| the client side for old broken X servers.

Which version of XFree86 would have Xr and Xc?  4.3.0?

|
|  I don't know enough about libart to say where things should be split
| apart, but it should be possible to at least port the bottom end of libart
| to Xc.

libart is indeed very nice library.
It's not very well known but widely used.
GhostScript uses it foir PostScript/EPS rendering, incl. font anti-aliasing.
It's also used by SodiPodi (http://sodipodi.sourceforge.net) - vector drawing 
program for GNOME, and in Karbon14 (vector-drawing program for KDE3).
Besides, it's used in Mozilla's SVG module (check [1], [2]).

[1]  http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/
[2]  http://www.croczilla.com/svg/

IIRC KSVG (KDE's native SVG implementtaion) uses libart, too.

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|  Keith Packard        XFree86 Core Team        HP Cambridge Research Lab
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