David, what do you mean by:

"On a one-way setup, you definitely get discriminator output.  When coupled
to the second rig, the conditioning takes place."?

Which output are you talking about?  I guess my question is: Other than the
specified signal levels, what IS the difference between the 1200 baud audio
out and the 9600 baud audio out?

de WD7F
John in Tucson


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Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DR-235 for repeater


I also had the same concerns.

However, I found that the treatment after the discriminator on the
respective radios applied the "conditioning" to make the interface
transparent to the ear.

We have tested "in-band" range extenders using antenna separation to extend
the range of simplex communications by using a pair of 2 meter rigs
connected data port to data port.  I have also done similar "experiments"
going from 6M SSB to 2m Simplex and back.

The audio quality does not have the "thin" quality you would expect;
reinforcing the concept that the radio does the conditioning "after" the
discriminator to the user interface (speaker and audio controls on the
receiver).

It took me a long time to finally accept that this was the case before even
trying to use the data ports for user audio.

On a one-way setup, you definitely get discriminator output.  When coupled
to the second rig, the conditioning takes place.

David
KD4NUE

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To: <Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DR-235 for repeater


> With regard to interfacing radios via "packet data" ports.
> Has anyone looked at the audio flatness of these ports?
> Also, some rigs have a 1200 baud in/out and a 9600 baud
> in/out, which (apparently) have very different audio levels.
> I suspect there are other characteristics that are different, too.
>
> 73, Bob K0NR
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> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Andy,
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>> I have not personally done this, but the data out connector should
>> suply pins for audio in , audio out, Squelch voltage or logic
>> and a reference ground.  These signals should provide everything
>> you should need for direct linking of 2 radios.  The DB9 is easy
>> to work with.
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>> Since these were designed for packet use, the audio is not
>> affected by front panel controls.  It is conditioned and altered
>> after it enters the TNC; or
>> in this case, the other rig.
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>> I have set up crossband repeaters using data connectors from other
>> brands, and it works well with little external manipulation.
>>
>> Attached is the page from the manual describing pin function for
>> the DB9 connector.  Email me if it doesn't go through.
>>
>> David
>> KD4NUE
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