I have a question for you Nate, Why is that when a OLD Extra 
mentions that they passed the 20 WPM exam that everyone who hasn't,  
passed it jumps on them like they are child molesters?

As long as a person passes what ever exam required at the time, they 
are okay in my book for what ever class license that they have. I 
just don't like people making remarks about people who have acheaved 
something when they haven't.

Elitist? No! Just proud of our acheavments. I proved to MYSELF that 
I can do what ever I set my mind to. After all putting the old brain 
to a project from time to time won't hurt anyone. I have done a lot 
of things in my life just for the experiance of it. 

I haven't been on HF except for once a year  for five or six years. 
I own several repeaters VHF and UHF and support Echolink on them. I 
enjoy the folks who I have met on Echolink Tech or Extra doesn't 
matter to me I just like to talk and do a bit of rag chewing.

73 to all
AC0Y 


--- In [email protected], Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> jrinnebraska wrote:
> 
> > One of the VE's commented that she was to be congratulated for 
> > achieving the "Extra-Lite" class license, since she hadn't 
gotten the 
> > 20wpm. 
> 
> Ahh... I'm sorry, I just gotta get this out... my story of my run 
in 
> with an elitist idiot.
> 
> (Side-note: I've had run ins with elitists who deserved to act 
that way 
> -- they were intelligent beyond their years and knew how to try to 
keep 
> their boredom with us "normal" people in check... and I understood 
them 
> to some extent... this story isn't about one of those people.  
It's 
> about a person with a really bad attitude.)
> 
> -----
> 
> There's a VE group that tests 1 BLOCK from my house at a public 
library.
> 
> One day I figured I'd send them an e-mail and offer to help out if 
they 
> ever needed it.  I could literally walk down the hill and be there 
in 5 
> minutes, if I stopped to talk to the neighbors.  It's that close.
> 
> I logically thought that hey, they might need another qualified 
Extra 
> Class to help out from time to time... why not let them know I 
live 
> nearby?  Maybe I'd even make it my Saturday morning activity... 
walk to 
> the library, give tests... why not?
> 
> The head of the group sent back an e-mail that still curls my toes 
to 
> this day -- it started with "Hi there, I see from your call sign 
that 
> you must be a REAL Extra."
> 
> And it got worse from there.
> 
> Additionally, in his e-mail he pointed out that he needed someone 
to "go 
> stand in line to get the room every month" for the local library 
> authority, to reserve the room, and...
> 
> He also pointed out that they also give commercial radio tests and 
if I 
> wasn't interested in learning enough to pass and give those tests, 
I 
> wasn't needed.
> 
> Then he continued on saying he was short of volunteers.  Gee, I 
wonder why?
> 
> Well, I shared with him three things...
> 
> For the record I'm a low-code Extra and I really don't give a damn 
who 
> cares.
> 
> Two, anyone who starts a conversation with anyone they've never 
met like 
> that -- is a complete and utter fool and doesn't deserve my time --
 and 
> isn't helping the hobby any, other than perhaps by licensing new 
people 
> with better attitudes.
> 
> Three, I'm not in the slightest way interested in giving or 
getting any 
> commercial licensing.  I'm a hobbyist, trying to volunteer within 
my hobby.
> 
> -----
> 
> This is a current and still operating ARRL VE Team.  They make the 
ARRL 
> VE organization look bad, regularly, I'm sure.  I told him so, and 
good 
> day.
> 
> I'll spend my time running a ham club, working on the repeaters, 
> volunteering for anything needed with the frequency coordination 
group, 
> running servers for IRLP, chatting on every radio I have from DC 
to 
> Daylight, a little VHF contesting and 40M SSB once in a while...
> 
> And generally staying the HELL away from his attitude and his VE 
team.
> 
> > My feeling is each to his/her own--whatever mode you wish to use 
is 
> > fine, as long as you are licensed for it.  But comments like the 
above 
> > and commonly are made by the hard core "elite" is just another 
of many 
> > reasons why this hobby continues to die a slow, lingering death, 
due 
> > to a lack of new blood.
> 
> Yep.  Damn right.
> 
> Sorry I wasn't just on the soapbox, you got me to jump up onto the 
> ledge.  Climbing down now...
> 
> (Just the mention of the words "VE Team" around me in person sets 
me 
> off, too.  Sorry.)
> 
> Nate WY0X
>








 
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