Rob,
 
This topic has been covered repeatedly on the repeater-builder list, but apparently not so often on this list, so I'll summarize the postings.
 
It is definitely necessary to send the channel element in for re-crystaling.  When you order a bare crystal, intending to install it in a channel element that has been previously compensated, it will *not* maintain 5 ppm.  That's because the bare crystal is manufactured to the nominal values of the channel element as stated by the radio manufacturer, and your previously-compensated channel element has components that may be far from the nominal values.  This fact has been proved many times by many people, including me.  One of my fellow hams, who maintained that you could "just order the crystal and change it yourself" found out the hard way:  The crystal he received was made for nominal channel element values, and when he installed it in a previously-compensated channel element, it only barely could be set on channel and it drifted off frequency quickly when the ambient temperature changed.  He then sent the crystal and the channel element back to ICM for proper compensation, and once it was put back in service, it was rock-stable.  Duh!
 
Another reason for sending the channel element in for the crystal house to rework is that the modulation sensitivity can be verified right on the production line.  I don't know if the cheaper houses make this important test, but I know that ICM does, and that's one reason why ICM gets my business.
 
73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RK Barba
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [GE Mastr II] Changing Icoms

I have been following these messages.    I have serviced a number of UHF Mastr II repeaters that are multi freq. and had (1) 5C RX icom and all TX and the other RX elements were EC. These repeaters were supplied new from GE at the time for a regional MED radio system buildout. The shop manual states 1 5C will provide compensation for all EC elements in the radio. 2C will not provide external compensation. There is no need to send elements back to ICM or Bomar. Just order the xtal and change it yourself.    5C = 5ppm ,without compensation all elements will provide 2ppm at 32*F to 131*F temperature range.
 
Rob
 








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