> "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jeff DePolo wrote:
> >> Real world transmitters always have limiters.  Those DO 
> >> change flatness.  
> 
> That keeps throwing me. I hear 'limiter' and I go towards the 
> receiver. A limiter is a low IF amplifier that is biased to go 
> into saturation with very little input. 

It's one application for a limiter... you can also have a limiter 
in the audio stage and at the front end of a transmitter in the 
modulator section (typical).

> This clips off amplitude peaks, on even weak signals, which are 
> going to be generated by either man-made or natural 
> noise. Thus the advantage of using FM in the first place.

Don't make the mistake of using "clip" for every limiter ap you 
run into. It's a description. In the case of an IF Limiter it's 
probably just fine. In the case of an audio limiter you don't have 
to clip the signal. 

> I'm used to calling what you describe a 'clipper' or, in 
> Motorola terminology, an IDC circuit.
> Ah well, you say 'tomato' and I say 'rutabaga'...;cD
> -- 
> Jim Barbour
> WD8CHL

Depending on how the circuit is designed... a tx limiter can be 
set up to hard compress, which some people interchange as a limiter 
function.  You'll probably find most compress type limiters also 
follow up with a "hard fixed" limiter of some type. 

cheers,
s. 

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