Don't confuse a loud high level repeater system is an Alligator
by default.  ... and people shouldn't assume taking pride in a 
high performance repeater system is an ego trip... even though 
that sort of thing might be for "some people' as found in pretty 
much any buiness or hobby endeavour. 

> "Al Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Having a very high-level flamethrower repeater around is not only
> > a great communications resource... if the hardware operates well
> > it's also impressive on your technical resume and a lot of fun to
> > operate.
> 
> So in other words, it's just an ego trip. These repeaters 
> are commonly known as Alligators.

Not in every case... 

> We in downstate Illinois suffer from the two meter glut of RF 
> out of Chicago. There they have repeaters there with dozens of 
> receiver sites and multi-kilowatt ERP transmitters, usually 
> running about half scale 150 miles away. 

I would imagine a lot of the reason given for the high power 
operation is to penetrate into large concrete buildings and 
hard to reach locations within the metro (city) area. Not to 
mention the repeater owner might not be paying the full-boat 
electric bill at the site. :-) 

> But we cannot get into their systems running legal power. 

Might be by design... a few similar metro area systems out here 
have directional antennas on their voting receivers. Ya' really 
don't know unless you contact one of their technical people for 
that system and talk about their intended coverage area. One high 
level system out here tailors their active receivers by time of 
day & week along with a serious desire to eliminate specific 
problematic users.  The type of users you read about in QST FCC 
Reports. 

> But they say they have "balanced systems"? What a crock!

Might not be balanced by design... have you asked them about 
the intended system coverage area yet?  I'm not defending an 
alligator repeater but there are very valid reasons why loud 
very repeaters might appear by some people to be at first glance 
to operate as an alligator machine. 

> If a repeater is full scale and I can't get into it with 
> 150 watts then something is very wrong!

Or something is working exactly as designed and/or operated.
 
> Al, K9SI

Find out who is the technical person for the machine and ask'em 
Al. Who knows what you'll find out...  The machine might be 
an alligator and it just might be configured to operate in 
special modes by design. We're doing that sort of thing out here 
on the West Coast all the time.  You might not yet know the joys 
of operating or administrating a loud high level repeater system 
in a large Metro Area.  

Tis' a true "Windsheid Effect"... you should get a clear view 
both directions but at higher speeds there can often be a lot 
of annoying bugs trying to make their mark in front of everyone's 
face. 

cheers,
skipp 

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