On Dec 26, 2007, at 2:31 PM, DCFluX wrote:

> Here in Portland, Oregon we have group that has about 4-5 two meter  
> repeaters
> all linked together.  They seem to think they need that many  
> repeaters just to
> cover the metro area.  Their repeaters usually have TERRIBLE  
> sounding audio
> and often have squelching problems.  The main person who operates  
> this system
> sits on the repeater coordination council and keeps scamming more  
> repeater
> pairs for his group every couple years.  Here is their link:
> http://www.worc.info/worc_system.htm

For HT's they might.  (Not saying they do, I don't know the  
situation... just saying -- 5W HT's to 50W repeaters (after the  
duplexer) isn't balanced, and never performs right.)

Ever offered to help them fix the squelching problems?  They're  
(apparently) not going away.  You know the old adage, if you can't  
beat 'em, join 'em.  It's not a competition anyway.  Too much of that  
sentiment in repeater operation already anyway...

Just out of technical curiosity, what's a "squelching problem"  
anyway?  Are you saying the machines are receiving crud and  
continually open up on it, or are you saying you don't like the way  
the squelch action sounds?  They're kinda two different levels of  
"problem".  One is serious, the other is mostly "cosmetic".

> Often times, their repeaters sit idle.

Talk on 'em.  :-)

> Mean while, the waiting list keeps growing.

It always will until people learn to work together.  It's a great  
sociology thesis paper waiting to be written:
"Ham Radio:  How people don't help each other but complain about each  
other's systems incessantly."  (GRIN)

I'm not picking on you personally, your note is just a great example  
of the problem at hand in MANY cities:  It's a sociology paper because  
there will ALWAYS be the "I can do it better" crowd owning and  
operating repeaters.  You don't like how their systems sound, so you  
get on a waiting list to show them you can "do it better".   How we  
break this cycle of disfunction, I don't know.  How about fixing their  
machines?

(I've made verbal offers to other clubs to merge our clubs, remove or  
re-task repeaters that offer similar coverage, and build links that  
can be connected/disconnected at-will.  No one's interested.  And  
Denver's got a lot of good technical folks and repeater builders.  If  
the only "interesting" thing about building repeaters is to say you  
did yours the way you want to, this problem will never end.  Sadly, I  
think the only thing that could ever cause a merger would be really  
hard times.  Some club would have to be in such financial dire straits  
that they'd want to sell off their repeater assets to someone else.)

Anyone reading along have any ideas on how to stop this madness?  At  
every site my club has a machine at, there's at least four other  
Amateur systems -- not always on the same band, but often yes.  I  
often ask myself, "What's the point?"... but our members don't  
interact with the other club's members, and vice-versa.  It's nuts.

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
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