I never cease to be amazed at how the simple answer to problems like this get 
overlooked.
  Give the FD noise cancelling microphones. The less background the mic picks 
up the less distortion problem there is. 
  I've been on an 800 digital sytem for about 13 years now. Our earlier 
purchased radios came with noise cancelling mics, that later ones didn't. OMG 
what a difference. Some radios are so low in TX audio that even with the 
console volume at full you have trouble hearing the troopers. Then you get 
someone who's used to the noise cancelling mics using the non cancellers and 
they blow you out of the console. I guess the Motherola engineers never heard 
of ALC or the concept of using it on the console to keep audio levels even.
   
  Dan Hancock  N8DJP
   
  > Re: P25 (mis)Information?
    Posted by: "Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)"
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] bosshardss
    Date: Thu May 29, 2008 9:10 am ((PDT))

On re-re-reading the post, I suspect the MA/COM salesman
 proposes just 
adding an analog trunked group to the system and calling
  that group 
talk-around.  Just another group in the trunked system.
  Any group can 
be either Provoice (EDACS only) or P25 digital or Analog
 FM. 

To many folks in the land mobile business talk-around
 refers to simplex 
operation on the output frequency of a repeater station and
 operation 
independent of the repeater station.  (hence my earlier
 post about 
collisions with trunked and simplex operations).

 From what I understand the problem with high noise
 environments and 
intelligibility is due to the characteristics of the DVSI
 IMBE vocoder 
and how this noise is treated in quantizing.  Another talk
 group will 
not help in building coverage issues because the trunked
 system treats 
all groups alike unless a group by attributes is steered to
 one 
particular site in a multisite system.  I am most familiar
 with simulcast.

I believe the problems with P25 digital are exactly that
 and have 
nothing to do with brand or manufacturer.

73, Steve NU5D


       

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