Paul, I was going to respond to this original post myself yesterday. I find
these days that a lot of hams don't use repeaters as much as we used to 10
or 15 years or more ago, due to the use of cell phones and to some extent
the internet. But perhaps the fact that there has always been an "air" or
"attitude" that permeates some repeaters, more or less created by control
freaks. Not control ops. Heck, where do you go around here why I live and
hear a control operator. You can't find an OPERATOR even on one most of the
time. And the repeaters will be used even less if the average guy feels he
has not only Part 97 but someone else's 'set' of rules. You can keep the
latter. I also noted the attempt to insult various equipment. That is
simply ignorant. I have made thousands of contacts on HF, VHF, etc. and not
one person I ever talked to has ever known that I all I was using was two
soup cans and a string. Are you going to tell me that my crystal
controlled Midland is not welcomed on someone's machine? That would mean
only 2 people left on that one, the control op and his wife. .better ease
up boys. A repeater owner may spend $10,000 on the most current,
contemporary equipment he can find, and with the best intentions in mind it
may still sound and work just terrible. I have seen clubs do just that. By
the same token with a little know how and patience a terrific sounding
machine can be built with stone knives and bear skins. Who would know?
Lastly, was this also the thread where someone was ranting about our
loosing spectrum if the FCC decided to take away more of our frequencies?
Sorry if this was not, but which frequencies are being taken, which WERE
taken ( and please don't go off on that 220 to UPS thing.). Perhaps I
missed something while building a cross band junkpile. Over to you Paul
and YOUR Junkpile ( which by the way sounds just fine to me) .take it away.
- Mike
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Transue
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GM300 Crossband Ham repeater Bi-Directional
Nate,
With all due respect, following your logic, if one careless mobile user lets
his mic fall down in a seat crack, doesn't realize his PTT is stuck, and
ties up your input for an hour driving through your coverage area, does it
then follow that you ban all mobile users from your system?
If I'm using a legal mobile repeater with an effective control scheme, I
frankly don't give a rodent's rump if repeater owners "welcome such
operations on our systems" or not. The idea that I'd hand over remote
control of my amateur station to a repeater owner is a non-starter.
There's also no longer any legal requirement or operational reason to
identify a mobile repeater as a repeater in the ID.
There are clean, legal, "good amateur practice" ways to do this, and if
you're trying to communicate out of a reinforced concrete building used as a
Red Cross shelter in a remote area, the "better options" you prefer may not
be available.
Calling the guy's GM300's a "crossband junkpile" was a little over the top.
Then again, I tried to respond with positive suggestions, and he thought I
was rude, too...
73, Paul, AE4KR
----- Original Message -----
From: Nate <mailto:[email protected]> Duehr
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GM300 Crossband Ham repeater Bi-Directional
...Call the repeater owner of the repeater you're THINKING about doing this
to, and ask their opinion of it. If they say, "Please don't do it."
Respect their wishes.
I can definitely say that in all the time I've run repeaters, the only two
things I've had to DF were jammers, and mobile cross-band repeaters built
into user rigs that were set up wrong...
...Are you going to give a way to control your cross-bander to the control
operator of the repeater you're connecting it to?
- Is your crossbander going to ID and let folks know it's a cross-bander so
they can come beat you with a Wouff Hong if you lock up their system?
- Does your FT-8800 properly ID, or are you ID'ing it saying you're
operating through a repeater?
...There are just better options... lots better...
...Plenty of ways to do that without a cross-band junkpile...
.
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