As frequency decreases, so does the importance of keeping the dipoles exactly above one another. This is why you can get away with mounting the bays of a LB array around a smaller tower (like Rohn 25) and still have very good omni-directional performance. Positioning the bays around a central supporting mast of a UHF array creates considerable pattern distortion and gain is lost. DB Products and others used a method of exciting two dipoles at the same elevation - the double dipole. This makes the radiation center of the array the mast pipe, and at higher frequencies there is a big advantage to this.

Frank Rossi, N3FLR and I did testing at my Seven Springs site in the early 90's with a Cushcraft UHF exposed dipole array. (Yes the ones with the RG-58 harness, poor connectors, and all that) I had a UHF repeater hooked to it and it was side mounted on the tower with stand-off brackets to minimize the blocking effects of the tower. I started out with the dipoles arranged one directly above another. In Greensburg and Pittsburgh (about 30 and 45 miles from the site) the repeater was usually full scale on Frank's S meter and he was received very well even on 5 watts. My house in Friedens (about 20 miles away) was in the null and I received the repeater on average about S-7. Testing was done for several days to get a benchmark.

I then tried the antenna in omni, positioning the bays around the mast as Cushcraft suggested. The result was an increase toward Friedens of two S units (from S-7 to S-9) and a drop towards Frank from usually full scale to S-5 to S-9 - a considerable loss. It was soon learned that on UHF with single dipole arrays that you need to keep them one above another unless you can stand the considerable reduction in gain when going omni. The antenna worked so much better in every other direction than the exact null, that I went back to the "directional" pattern and dealt with it. The Cushcraft antenna was relegated to remote base use, and still works some 15 years later. It was sealed as well as could be done. The repeater was connected to a top mounted Stationmaster look-alike home brew 23 half-waves in phase with 3 degrees of downtilt. This antenna buries the S-Meter in all directions.
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I know of one high profile VHF repeater in Pittsburgh that uses a dipole array with the dipoles faced into the tower. It has amazing omni-directional range.

Kevin Custer


MCH wrote:
I'm sure someone on *this* list will be able to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can mount virtually any of the dipole type antennas on the tower leg as long as you're not looking for a 360 pattern. An offset or figure-8 pattern, though, no problem. In fact, I've done this for commercial users, and in some cases such as Low Band dipoles, that's the only way to can mount them.

You might even be able to get away with it mounting one on each leg for a 360 pattern (with a little more gain in one direction for a 4-bay antenna), but your gain would be messed up since the signal would then be out of phase for each element in any given direction.

Joe M.

Doug Rehman wrote:
I remember seeing a vertical dipole from one on the amateur antenna
manufacturers that was designed to bolt onto your mast or tower leg. I think
it might have come in a kit of 2 or 4.

I thought it was Cushcraft, but I couldn't find it. Does anyone have any
idea what antenna I thought I saw?

Thanks,
Doug
K4AC



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