Reality: Enterprise backups of workstations SUCK. There's NO WAY to do it well, but Dantz comes closest. There is a *real* market for Windows backups, especially enterprise backups. However, even with Dantz's fine Windows product (and I think they'll admit this, but I've been wrong before!) it simply doesn't scale to the enterprise, or even past a few hundred workstations. It was built to be a workgroup product and I and some other companies have pushed the product beyond what it was originally designed for. We've been successful, but it has its painful moments... Currently, if you get over a relatively small number of workstations, your administrative hassles increase dramatically. How do you perform initial installations on 1400 Windows workstations, when Dantz offers no unattended install, yet requires a password on the client? How do you perform initial installations on 150,000 Windows workstations, if an *entire enterprise* standardizes on Retrospect? How do you perform client upgrades of 1400 (or 150,000) workstations, when you have to either do it from the server, or at the workstation (again)? How can you upgrade from the server, when most of your machines are portables and probably won't be available at the time you're upgrading clients? How do you keep the Retrospect client name and the actual machine name in sync? Workstations get renamed all the time, but the client doesn't "see" the change. There are other issues as well, but those are some of the major ones I run up against daily. Even with these limitations, I can't think of another product that comes remotely close to filling the bill while not requiring significant intervention on the part of the users. So, Dantz simply cannot ignore Windows, IMHO. Neither, of course, can they ignore Macs. But then, nobody's suggesting that! Brad. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 1:30 PM To: retro-talk Subject: OT Re: Difference Between v4 & v5 [addendum] on 10/25/00 12:12 PM, Thone, Bradley A (Sbcsi) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hard reality is that the Mac itself is relegated to virtually "niche" > utility. > > Another hard reality is that Mac users are *very much* a minority, compared > to Windows users. > > If you were in a business to market products (and make money), which users > would you target???? I would target the group of users who, per capita, buy more computer gadgets and software, require less technical support, and are more likely to be vocal about their favorite products. In other words, Mac users. In fact, if you will recall, Dantz did rather well even when they were delivering a Mac-only product. That's a hard reality. Mass-marketing has its place, but any second-year marketing major would laugh out loud at the idea of marketing only to the masses. Industrial-strength backup software is not a mass-market commodity. Ten percent of any market is hardly "niche" and I think, were you to compare the number of Mac OS vs. Windows users who understand (and can implement) backup strategies, your "hard reality" would come up a bit soft. So, please, do away with the "Mac users really don't matter" tripe. It's both unfriendly and inaccurate, not to mention off-topic. <>< Jon L. Gardner '89, Computer Systems Manager <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Texas A&M University Dept. of Food Services <http://food.tamu.edu/> Tel 979.458.1839 * Fax 979.845.2157 * Hip 979.229.4323 PGP public key available at <http://food.tamu.edu/pgp/jon.html> -- ---------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: <http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: <http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.