Reality: Enterprise backups of workstations SUCK. There's NO WAY to do it
well, but Dantz comes closest.

There is a *real* market for Windows backups, especially enterprise backups.
However, even with Dantz's fine Windows product (and I think they'll admit
this, but I've been wrong before!) it simply doesn't scale to the
enterprise, or even past a few hundred workstations.

It was built to be a workgroup product and I and some other companies have
pushed the product beyond what it was originally designed for. We've been
successful, but it has its painful moments...

Currently, if you get over a relatively small number of workstations, your
administrative hassles increase dramatically.

How do you perform initial installations on 1400 Windows workstations, when
Dantz offers no unattended install, yet requires a password on the client?

How do you perform initial installations on 150,000 Windows workstations, if
an *entire enterprise* standardizes on Retrospect?

How do you perform client upgrades of 1400 (or 150,000) workstations, when
you have to either do it from the server, or at the workstation (again)?

How can you upgrade from the server, when most of your machines are
portables and probably won't be available at the time you're upgrading

How do you keep the Retrospect client name and the actual machine name in
sync? Workstations get renamed all the time, but the client doesn't "see"
the change.

There are other issues as well, but those are some of the major ones I run
up against daily.

Even with these limitations, I can't think of another product that comes
remotely close to filling the bill while not requiring significant
intervention on the part of the users. So, Dantz simply cannot ignore
Windows, IMHO.

Neither, of course, can they ignore Macs. But then, nobody's suggesting


-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 1:30 PM
To: retro-talk
Subject: OT Re: Difference Between v4 & v5 [addendum]

on 10/25/00 12:12 PM, Thone, Bradley A (Sbcsi) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hard reality is that the Mac itself is relegated to virtually "niche"
> utility.
> Another hard reality is that Mac users are *very much* a minority,
> to Windows users.
> If you were in a business to market products (and make money), which users
> would you target????

I would target the group of users who, per capita, buy more computer gadgets
and software, require less technical support, and are more likely to be
vocal about their favorite products.

In other words, Mac users.

In fact, if you will recall, Dantz did rather well even when they were
delivering a Mac-only product. That's a hard reality.

Mass-marketing has its place, but any second-year marketing major would
laugh out loud at the idea of marketing only to the masses.
Industrial-strength backup software is not a mass-market commodity. Ten
percent of any market is hardly "niche" and I think, were you to compare the
number of Mac OS vs. Windows users who understand (and can implement) backup
strategies, your "hard reality" would come up a bit soft.

So, please, do away with the "Mac users really don't matter" tripe. It's
both unfriendly and inaccurate, not to mention off-topic.

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