Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
David Cooper wrote:
is there no longer a utility such as
"linuxconf"? Something like SuSE's "yast" from command line for
managing everything from users to services etc?

I know there's all the system-config-xxxxxx scripts, but those are all
GUI tools.
Some of them also have text user interface equivalents:

[07:06:34 sam ~$] locate -- -tui | grep bin /usr/bin/system-config-securitylevel-tui
/usr/sbin/authconfig-tui
/usr/sbin/neat-tui
/usr/sbin/system-config-network-tui

Also does anyone else think it odd that there's no in depth redhat
docs for command line administration of the server? I downloaded all
the docs, just to find out there mostly dumbed down simple
guides to using the GUI tools. WHAT!  Where's the good stuff?
I think the assumption is that if you are using the command line, then you are already experienced enough to know how to do it.

FWIW, I don't see why anyone would bother to write a TUI for adding users when "man useradd" and even just running "useradd" without options will get you enough information to add a user, probably much faster than any interface could do it.

setup is no yast, it's not even close.

There can be more to creating a user than adding "fred" and "fredspassword," and a good configuratation tool would also ensure you choose whether fred gets email, whether fred has a shell account, where he fits into the organisation (think on business and government structures), whether fred's email should be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or maybe [EMAIL PROTECTED], what disk space and email quotas apply, what password policy applies, whether fred's account is local to _this_ computer or whether it's global, what hours fred can use the computer facilities and for how long - if fred's visiting for two weeks, you might want the account to expire the moment he is due to leave.


yast ties all the configuration tasks into a single program with plugins. With yast, one can operate in text mode (with hot keys), and ing GUI mode. One can install software, it can create a new system (like yum --installroot), it can create (Xen) virtual machines - think virt-install, it can configure network devices (and download and install drivers while you're at it if nees be) and networks and firewalls

I have opensuse 10.2 on my thinkpad, I just started yast on a virtual console.

it opens two panes; the one on my left lists
Software
Hardware
System
Network Devices
Novell AppArmor
Security and Users
Miscellaneous

Software is selected, the pane on my right lists
Online Update
Software Management
Add-on Product
Automatic Online Updates
Installation source
Installation into directory
Media Check
Patch CD update
System Update

On average, each of the other menus is about as long. Hardware ranges from bluetooth to TV Card: I've never setup either, but I know where to try. And since it runs as a TUI, it's easy enough to run through a dialup connexion.

red Hat used to ship linuxconf, back around RHL 5.x I think. It suffered from being third-party, and didn't integrate well. There were many reports of linuxconf doing things its own sweet way, causing confusion and on occasion calamity.




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