I also became aware that Bush and minions follow the "strategies" of James 
Dobson to the letter. I'm talking about Dobson's recommended strategies for 
raising and disciplining children. Bush sees us (Aaaargh!) and developing 
countries as his children. --Peggy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Morrison 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [rhetoric-list] Re;The Rapture Index and the 2004 elec


  It's my pleasure and privilege to pass on the information like the Rapture 
article, which I was fortunate to have passed on to me in another group. My 
youth was also spent attending a 'non-denominational' evangelical church where 
my mother served for a few years as the organist

  Living in the heart of fundamentalist/baptist Georgia is sometimes a scary 
proposition for me, but it also helps me by re-enforcing my decisions to leave 
that church at the age of 14 and continue to believe in Universalist principles 
of tolerance and diversity and the divinity of ALL people of ALL faiths who 
practice the true spirit of their respective icons, whether it be Buddhist, 
Christian, Muslim or other less prominent spiritual paths

  It's interesting that you included Sun Yung Moon.  He has very close ties to 
Bush.

  Do you have any references concerning the two 19th century immigrant 
preachers Moyer referred to in the article?



  prezbotchistheultimatechimpanzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  This was an EXCELLENT post (The Rapture Index and the 2004 Election) 
  to our Rhetoric site.

  Thank you Jim Morrison for passing it along.I'd like if I may, to 
  add something to what you posted based on my own personal life 
  experience in this area. 

  I can attest to the truthfulness of the excerpts from Bill Moyers 
  and George Maniot (hope I got the names spelled right). 

  I used to belong to a two different denominations, so called "non-
  denominational" evangelicals who subscribed to exactly the scenario 
  of the rapture described in these excerpts. For thirteen years,until 
  I fell out of these beliefs and more or less deprogrammed myself, I 
  heard such teachings every Sunday from the pulpit woven into the 
  sermons given.

  This sounds wild-eyed and nuts but it is indeed an integral part of 
  the beliefs of most 'fundamentalist' Christian churches in the 
  United States.

  I came across an old-style preacher on the radio in the 1970's by 
  the name of Walter Martin, who had founded an anti-cult apologetics 
  organization to combat the teachings of non-orthodox teachings such 
  as Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Sun Myung Moon, etc. 

  This radio preacher showed from the Bible how this rapture teaching 
  is not supported in any reasonable reading of the Bible and he 
  showed it elowquently cross referencing between books of the New  
  Testament, to show that the early Apostles believed that the Church 
  (believers) would GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION.  But you can't 
  convince any right-wing, fundamentalist today hardly anywhere of 
  this. They have swallowed this, I would call it, heresy, hook, line, 
  and sinker and they are adamantly convinced that it is literally 
  coming to pass before our eyes. 

  I am ashamed now to admit that I too at one time believed this as 
  a 'given' until I began questioning it after I heard the 
  aforementioned broadcast radio evangelist, Dr. Walter Marin, who 
  died in the late 1970s or early 1980's, but his organization lives 
  on in the form of the Christian Research Institute in Southern 
  California.

  I just wanted to thank Jim Morrison for passing this along to us. It 
  explains a lot in terms of support for George Bush among so-called 
  Christians, who are very sincere (but I believe sincerely wrong) in 
  their dedication to such teachings being literally true about the 
  rapture and doing all they can to 'help it happen'.

  It explains why they are 'proof' against any objective, rational 
  analysis of Bush's myriad crimes and failures. It is mystifying to 
  us who practice empirical observation just HOW these people can be 
  so 'programmed' but programmed they are and they DO believe it is a 
  matter of ETERNAL' life and death and their duty to propagate this 
  belief and these politics by any means possible in order "to save as 
  many as possible for Christ".

  I know whereof I speak. I (red faced now but really believed it back 
  then)...was ONE OF THEM.

  Thank you again,Mr. Morrison, for sharing such a valuable insight. 
  It hit the proverbial nail on the head. Bullseye. Thank you and I 
  hope this is a wake up call to us who consider 
  ourselves 'progressives' that the power of religious fervor is 
  indeed strong, and I believe, very dangerous because it now is 
  playing with the use of weapons of mass destruction. Whether Islamic 
  fundamentalist or "God's Cowboys" here in America, we have a world 
  teetring on the brink of any number of disaster scenarios.

  I can't remember where I heard it said, but I like this saying: 
  "There is no man so dangerous as that man who KNOWS that he is 
  RIGHT".

  That is a good part of how GW got back in. We thought we had the 
  momentum behind us, we who are sick to death and sick at heart when 
  we think of the slaughter, economic damage, damage to America's 
  prestige and credibility....we progressives thought that finally 
  RIGHT was on our side...and it was.....but the religious right 
  marches to the beat of a "proof texted" "jury rigged" Christianity, 
  as American as hot dogs and coca cola. And it indeed IS driving 
  George Bush's Iraq policy.

  INSANITY to those of us, Christian or non Christian, who I believe 
  are rational, but SALVATION to the programmed "rapturist-Fallwell-
  Robertson-Right-Wing-God's-American-Political-Army" people

  *********************************************************************
  ******************************************************************

  Excerpts from an address given by Bill Moyers to the Society of 
  Professional Journalists 2004 National Convention, September 11, 
  2004 

  The Rapture Index and the U.S. election 

  How do we explain the possibility that a close election ... could 
  turn on several million good and decent citizens who believe in the 
  Rapture Index? That's what I said &shy; the Rapture Index. Google it 
  and you will understand why the best-selling books in America today 
  are the twelve volumes of the Left Behind series which have earned 
  multi-millions of dollars for their co-authors who earlier this year 
  completed a triumphant tour of the Bible Belt whose buckle holds in 
  place George W. Bush's armour of the Lord. These true believers 
  subscribe to a fantastical theology concocted in the l9th century by 
  a couple of immigrant preachers who took disparate passages from the 
  Bible and wove them into a narrative millions of people believe to 
  be literally true. 

  According to this narrative, Jesus will return to earth only when 
  certain conditions are met: when Israel has been established as a 
  state; when Israel then occupies the rest of its "biblical lands;" 
  when the third temple has been rebuilt on the site now occupied by 
  the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa mosques; and, then, when legions of 
  the Antichrist attack Israel. This will trigger a final showdown in 
  the valley of Armageddon during which all the Jews who have not 
  converted will be burned. Then the Messiah returns to earth. The 
  Rapture occurs once the big battle begins. "True believers" will be 
  lifted out of their clothes and transported to heaven where, seated 
  next to the right hand of God, they will watch their political and 
  religious opponents suffer plagues of boils, sores, locusts and 
  frogs during the several years of tribulation which follow. 

  I'm not making this up. We've reported on these people for our 
  weekly broadcast on PBS, following some of them from Texas to the 
  West Bank. They are sincere, serious, and polite as they tell you 
  that they feel called to help bring the Rapture on as fulfillment of 
  biblical prophecy. That's why they have declared solidarity with 
  Israel and the Jewish settlements and backed up their support with 
  money and volunteers. It's why they have staged confrontations at 
  the old temple site in Jerusalem. It's why the invasion of Iraq for 
  them was a warm-up act, predicted in the 9th chapter of the Book of 
  Revelations where four angels "which are bound in the great river 
  Euphrates" will be released "to slay the third part of men." As the 
  British writer George Monbiot has pointed out, for these people the 
  Middle East is not a foreign policy issue, it's a biblical scenario, 
  a matter of personal belief. A war with Islam in the Middle East is 
  not something to be feared but welcomed; if there's a
  conflagration there, they come out winners on the far side of 
  tribulation, inside the pearly gates, in celestial splendor, supping 
  on ambrosia to the accompaniment of harps plucked by angels. 

  One estimate puts these people at about l5 per cent of the 
  electorate. Most are likely to vote Republican; they are part of the 
  core of George W. Bush's base support. He knows who they are and 
  what they want. When the President asked Ariel Sharon to pull his 
  tanks out of Jenin in 2002, over one hundred thousand angry 
  Christian fundamentalists barraged the White House with emails and 
  Mr. Bush never mentioned the matter again. 

  Not coincidentally, the administration recently put itself solidly 
  behind Ariel Sharon's expansions of settlements on the West Bank. In 
  George Monbiot's analysis, the President stands to lose fewer votes 
  by encouraging Israeli expansion into the West Bank than he stands 
  to lose by restraining it. "He would be mad to listen to these 
  people, but he would also be mad not to." No wonder Karl Rove walks 
  around the West Wing whistling "Onward Christian Soldiers." He knows 
  how many votes he is likely to get from these pious folk who believe 
  that the Rapture Index now stands at 144 --- just one point below 
  the critical threshold at which point the prophecy is fulfilled, the 
  whole thing blows, the sky is filled with floating naked bodies, and 
  the true believers wind up at the right hand of God. With no regret 
  for those left behind. (See George Monbiot. The Guardian, April 20, 
  2004 (following) 

  I know, I know: You think I am bonkers... But this is just the 
  point: Journalists who try to tell these stories, connect these 
  dots, and examine these links are demeaned, disparaged, and 
  dismissed. This is the very kind of story that illustrates the 
  challenge journalists face in a world driven by ideologies that are 
  stoutly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally 
  accepted as reality.

  Bill Moyers


  Their beliefs are bonkers, but they are at the heart of power 

  US Christian fundamentalists are driving Bush's Middle East policy 

  George Monbiot 
  Tuesday April 20, 2004
  The Guardian 

  To understand what is happening in the Middle East, you must first 
  understand what is happening in Texas. To understand what is 
  happening there, you should read the resolutions passed at the 
  state's Republican party conventions last month. 

  Take a look, for example, at the decisions made in Harris County, 
  which covers much of Houston. The delegates began by nodding through 
  a few uncontroversial matters: homosexuality is contrary to the 
  truths ordained by God; "any mechanism to process, license, record, 
  register or monitor the ownership of guns" should be repealed; 
  income tax, inheritance tax, capital gains tax and corporation tax 
  should be abolished; and immigrants should be deterred by electric 
  fences. Thus fortified, they turned to the real issue: the affairs 
  of a small state 7,000 miles away. It was then, according to a 
  participant, that the "screaming and near fist fights" began. I 
  don't know what the original motion said, but apparently it 
  was "watered down significantly" as a result of the shouting match. 
  The motion they adopted stated that Israel has an undivided claim to 
  Jerusalem and the West Bank, that Arab states should be "pressured" 
  to absorb refugees from Palestine, and that Israel should do 
  whatever it
  wishes in seeking to eliminate terrorism. 

  Good to see that the extremists didn't prevail then. But why should 
  all this be of such pressing interest to the people of a state which 
  is seldom celebrated for its fascination with foreign affairs? 

  The explanation is slowly becoming familiar to us, but we still have 
  some difficulty in taking it seriously. 

  In the United States, several million people have succumbed to an 
  extraordinary delusion. In the 19th century, two immigrant preachers 
  cobbled together a series of unrelated passages from the Bible to 
  create what appears to be a consistent narrative: Jesus will return 
  to Earth when certain preconditions have been met. 

  The first of these was the establishment of a state of Israel. The 
  next involves Israel's occupation of the rest of its "biblical 
  lands" (most of the Middle East), and the rebuilding of the Third 
  Temple on the site now occupied by the Dome of the Rock and al-Aqsa 
  mosques. The legions of the antichrist will then be deployed against 
  Israel, and their war will lead to a final showdown in the valley of 
  Armageddon. The Jews will either burn or convert to Christianity, 
  and the Messiah will return to Earth. 

  What makes the story so appealing to Christian fundamentalists is 
  that before the big battle begins, all "true believers" (ie those 
  who believe what they believe) will be lifted out of their clothes 
  and wafted up to heaven during an event called the Rapture. Not only 
  do the worthy get to sit at the right hand of God, but they will be 
  able to watch, from the best seats, their political and religious 
  opponents being devoured by boils, sores, locusts and frogs, during 
  the seven years of Tribulation which follow. 

  The true believers are now seeking to bring all this about. This 
  means staging confrontations at the old temple site (in 2000, three 
  US Christians were deported for trying to blow up the mosques 
  there), sponsoring Jewish settlements in the occupied territories, 
  demanding ever more US support for Israel, and seeking to provoke a 
  final battle with the Muslim world/Axis of Evil/United Nations/ 
  European Union/France or whoever the legions of the antichrist turn 
  out to be. 

  The believers are convinced that they will soon be rewarded for 
  their efforts. The antichrist is apparently walking among us, in the 
  guise of Kofi Annan, Javier Solana, Yasser Arafat or, more 
  plausibly, Silvio Berlusconi. The Wal-Mart corporation is also a 
  candidate (in my view a very good one), because it wants to radio-
  tag its stock, thereby exposing humankind to the Mark of the Beast. 

  By clicking on www.raptureready.com, you can discover how close you 
  might be to flying out of your pyjamas. 

  The infidels among us should take note that the Rapture Index 
  currently stands at 144, just one point below the critical 
  threshold, beyond which the sky will be filled with floating 
  nudists. 

  Beast Government, Wild Weather and Israel are all trading at the 
  maximum five points (the EU is debat ing its constitution, there was 
  a freak hurricane in the south Atlantic, Hamas has sworn to avenge 
  the killing of its leaders), but the second coming is currently 
  being delayed by an unfortunate decline in drug abuse among 
  teenagers and a weak showing by the antichrist (both of which score 
  only two). 

  We can laugh at these people, but we should not dismiss them. That 
  their beliefs are bonkers does not mean they are marginal. American 
  pollsters believe that 15-18% of US voters belong to churches or 
  movements which subscribe to these teachings. A survey in 1999 
  suggested that this figure included 33% of Republicans. 

  The best-selling contemporary books in the US are the 12 volumes of 
  the Left Behind series, which provide what is usually described as 
  a "fictionalised" account of the Rapture (this, apparently, 
  distinguishes it from the other one), with plenty of dripping 
  details about what will happen to the rest of us. 

  The people who believe all this don't believe it just a little; for 
  them it is a matter of life eternal and death. And among them are 
  some of the most powerful men in America. John Ashcroft, the 
  attorney general, is a true believer, so are several prominent 
  senators and the House majority leader, Tom DeLay. Mr DeLay (who is 
  also the co-author of the marvellously named DeLay-Doolittle 
  Amendment, postponing campaign finance reforms) travelled to Israel 
  last year to tell the Knesset that "there is no middle ground, no 
  moderate position worth taking". 

  So here we have a major political constituency - representing much 
  of the current president's core vote - in the most powerful nation 
  on Earth, which is actively seeking to provoke a new world war. 

  Its members see the invasion of Iraq as a warm-up act, as Revelation 
  (9:14-15) maintains that four angels "which are bound in the great 
  river Euphrates" will be released "to slay the third part of men". 

  They batter down the doors of the White House as soon as its support 
  for Israel wavers: when Bush asked Ariel Sharon to pull his tanks 
  out of Jenin in 2002, he received 100,000 angry emails from 
  Christian fundamentalists, and never mentioned the matter again. 

  The electoral calculation, crazy as it appears, works like this. 
  Governments stand or fall on domestic issues. For 85% of the US 
  electorate, the Middle East is a foreign issue, and therefore of 
  secondary interest when they enter the polling booth. For 15% of the 
  electorate, the Middle East is not just a domestic matter, it's a 
  personal one: if the president fails to start a conflagration there, 
  his core voters don't get to sit at the right hand of God. Bush, in 
  other words, stands to lose fewer votes by encouraging Israeli 
  aggression than he stands to lose by restraining it. 

  He would be mad to listen to these people. He would also be mad not 
  to. 

  George Monbiot's book The Age of Consent: a Manifesto for a New 
  World Order is now published in paperback. 






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