On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:06, donnella whitacre wrote: > that is really nice for the palestinians who have said they will out israel > by population alone
And you'd sterilize the Arab women? How very thirties of you, my dear! > and then there will be no haven for the jews the next > time some one tries to wipe them out. remember palestine was locked down to > placate the arabs even though it was suppose to be a homeland for the jews > according to the british mandate. You haven't read the Mandate at all, by all apearances, nor do you have any understanding of the British Empire's routines in taking a place over. I mean, we are talking about a super-state with institutional memory of the reaction of the New Zealand Maori to the confiscation of _their_ land, which affected them in the Pacific to the extent that they stopped short of doing any such thing to Fiji - they couldn't risk overextending themselves like that again. > i wonder if they had been allowed to go > how many more would be saved. yep is sounds so easy when he says it. And when you say the opposite. > and he was an egyptian not a palestinian any more than arafat was one. The truth is better than any long lies - the Middle East was and is regarded as the Arab Nation; the nearest thing I can think of, is the way that British people tend to talk about "the Continent" and the British Commonwealth still has/had preferrential interchange amongst Commonwealth citizens; or for that matter, how easy it is for someone starting out in Mexico, to wind up working in either Canada or the US. Or vice versa. > how long do you suppose israel would be jewish if that was a solution? Ah, but that's the question - you're a Jewish American. Is it important for you as an American citizen, to have that same sort of "ethnicity" challenge in America? How important is it for you _not_ to have that sort of worry, challenge, etc, with your ethnicity/religion? If Israel is a democracy, does it matter about the ethnicity and/or religion of its citizens? As long as there are adequate safeguards against oppression by the majority. > it > is a solution that is not workable. sorry. i would not be willing to place > the future security of the jewish people in that solution. Russian Jews started going to Germany in the 1990s in preference to Israel. Is that what you're talking about? > the jews were > for the nationalization of jerusalem to being with, it was the arabs who > refused. arafat was offered east jerusalem which is the arab quarter, but > no they have to have it all. Which wasn't what I read. > > Jim Morrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The wisdom of Edward Said says it well. we don't need a 'two state' > agreement, which will forever produce conflicts and border wars, but a ' > one -state' agreement in which both Israeli's AND Palestinians can share > Jerusalem much in the way Christians, Catholics and atheists can all share > time in Washington, D.C. > > Want to promote peace in the middle east and an end to terrorism? Form a > country with a constitution based on freedom of religion with protection > from government intrusion on the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of > happiness, allowing no infringement on the free expression of religion, the > freedom of the press or the rights of the people to redress the government, > and a government with no rights to enact any law restricting the practice > of religion. > > In that country, the Palestinians are allowed to bury Arafat in an > appropriate place, they are not drinking from mud puddles while Israeli's > are constructing gated communities, there is no Infantada, Israel doesn't > need three billion dollars a year of American tax-[ayer money, and the > Arab/Muslim world can go about it's way without worrying whether or not > they are going to be the next victim of American foreign policy. > > Promote unity and tolerance of diversity. If we truly want 'freedom to be > on the march in the Middle East' then we must truly allow the citizens of > the middle east to be free, to be free from intolerance, be free from a > foreign occupation, be free from a despotic tyrant, and be free to choose > their own religion, their own government, and their own constitution. > > Barring that, we are in for a long, long struggle in which thousands of > Americans and hundreds of thousands of Muslims will die in the vain name of > theocracy. > <snip> -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people." ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. 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