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Dear Donella,
Hamas is "human" while Zionists are "arrogant".
Hamas is fighting to regain control over their land of birth the occupied Palestine 
while Zionists have intruded from Europe/America to grab their land.
Hamas is on theil own soil while Zionists have gone to grab others territorry.

M.B.H.S.

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most of those killed are armed combatants not women and children. and if they are not 
fighting terrorists what do you think are in those tunnels,and why are they there.
what do you think hamas is that takes credit for every dead jew< a social club?
you don't have to be in the military to be a target, all you have to do is pick up a 
gun and shot at soldiers or other jews.
of course you don't know the answers, none of it is simple except the part were we 
blame israel and say nothing about the actrocites of the other side that are the 
reason for going into these camps to begin with. the IDF doesn't just decide to go 
there and cause trouble.


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Hank,

Once again you voice my sentiments exactly. Due to time limitations, I do
not participate in this ongoing discussion as often as I would care to, but
I DO read most of the postings. The fact is that there are no simple
answers. But one fact is undeniable; violence continues to breed more of
the same. Israel is abusing its power continuously with the constant claim
that they are fighting terrorists. But for the most part, I see them
fighting and killing civilians and innocent women and children. Now, please
people who are reading this posting, understand that I really DO support the
existence of the State of Israel. However, I also happen to believe the
Palestinians are entitled to a home land and both sides at this point are
working counter to those goals. Israel is overall, the far stronger power,
and they must use their power in a morally responsible manner. Before you
blow up a home or neighbourhood because you THINK it might be an area where
suspected terrorists are located, do some intelligence work and make sure
you got it right. Going after actual terrorists is certainly understandable
and correct. But all too often, entire neighbourhoods and people are
destroyed on suspicions with no proof ever offered before or after. The
Palestinian authority must also take aggressive action against terrorism and
suicide bombers, but refusing to talk to each other ain't gonna accomplish
mutual cooperation. Both sides can find reasons to continue fighting and
come up with rationales as to why they are right. But the bottom line is
the Palestinian leaders are being ineffective and the Israeli government is
acting like bullies. New leadership is needed on both sides of the
equation.

Michael

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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, G. Waleed Kavalec wrote:

>
> > IDF and military not the same as wanton terrorists who sneak in
> > houses and kill children and women
>
>
> No, your military bastards blow the whole house up.

I agree with you. There is no excuse for this. It is a horrible policy and
everyone should object to it. Those of you who are as incensed as I am over
needless killing, should continue to speak against these practices.
Anyone who considers valid criticism is disingenuous. The progressive
position is clear. By criticizing murder does not imply someone is
antisemitic or anti-Islam if suicide bombers are also criticized, but it not
unreasonable to see the connection - that the one motivates the other and
the cycle goes on unabated. It must stop.

By they way, what name should we use for you? Do you have a nickname or
something besides calling you G?

Hank

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