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i think i made it quite clear who was uncivilized and you ran right over the fact that jews have been there for centuries. not one of the things i said did you answer. you just spewed out some more name calling and it is so easy to call people nazis. your mufti was a close personal friend of hitlers so who are you calling a nazi? some say Haj amin was the real author of the final solution. he personally made sure that 4,000 children never made it out of the death camps. it was the arabs not the jews who worked with hitler. how do you suppose defending them makes me a nazi? Mohammad Basirul Haq Sinha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| You deserve to be the "information minister' of Nazi Germany or the "disinformation minister" of USA. Zionists never "danced" but they made others danced. They plan in cool brain for mass-murder. You still placed no argument against the hard fact that Zionists are "Uncivilized intruders" in Palestine. donnella whitacre wrote: |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| boy that sure doesn't mix with the pictures i have seen of crowds of people in the streets all armed to the teeth some with rocket launchers and such. and terribly sentimental also, most of those killed have been armed combatants, you can find the break down any were on the web. israel doesn't dance in the streets over dead civilians, nor do they tear people apart with their bare hands and revel in the blood. i have seen the pictures of those two IDF soldiers who took a wrong turn and were literally torn limb from limb by the crowd. who then danced around. war is one thing, that is savage barbarism. and there are more stories were those come from. i find it hard to feel anything when people are draged out in the street and butchered because they might be collaborators. no trial no nothing. it is a little more complicated than you state. you are talking about a terrorist organization that preys off its own people as well. Mohammad Basirul Haq Sinha wrote: |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| My dear a_yukon , You could not place any argument against the hard fact that Zionists are intruders and criminal against humanity. Hamas is fighting for gaining control over their land of birth from foreign intruders who made the world unsafe for each and every human being. Everyday these criminals are killing people mostly innocent civilians. Against Zionist stockpiles of WMD Palestinian freedom fighters have been fighting with "hand granades and faith" only for self defense. It is ridiculous and non-sensical to call them dangerous like Zionist criminals. A lie can't be turned into truth. The people around the world are not blind as bigot Zionist criminals think. a_yukon wrote: |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Hamas is "human" while Zionists are "arrogant". Hamas is fighting to regain control over their land of birth the occupied Palestine while Zionists have intruded from Europe/America to grab their land. Hamas is on theil own soil while Zionists have gone to grab others territorry. You better provide some justification of such crap. Hamas is "human". You forgot the keyword "bombers". Hamas members are indeed human but they are "human bombers". Zionists are "arrogant". What point are you trying to make with such baseless statements? "Hamas is fighting to regain control over their land of birth the occupied Palestine while Zionists have intruded from Europe/America to grab their land." "Hamas is on theil own soil while Zionists have gone to grab others territorry." Two lines of additional crap was all you could manage, right? a_yukon ----- Original Message ----- From: Mohammad Basirul Haq Sinha To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [RHETORIC] FOLLOW UP: SECURITY FENCE |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Dear Donella, Hamas is "human" while Zionists are "arrogant". Hamas is fighting to regain control over their land of birth the occupied Palestine while Zionists have intruded from Europe/America to grab their land. Hamas is on theil own soil while Zionists have gone to grab others territorry. M.B.H.S. donnella whitacre wrote: |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| most of those killed are armed combatants not women and children. and if they are not fighting terrorists what do you think are in those tunnels,and why are they there. what do you think hamas is that takes credit for every dead jew< a social club? you don't have to be in the military to be a target, all you have to do is pick up a gun and shot at soldiers or other jews. of course you don't know the answers, none of it is simple except the part were we blame israel and say nothing about the actrocites of the other side that are the reason for going into these camps to begin with. the IDF doesn't just decide to go there and cause trouble. "Michael D. Fein" wrote: |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Hank, Once again you voice my sentiments exactly. Due to time limitations, I do not participate in this ongoing discussion as often as I would care to, but I DO read most of the postings. The fact is that there are no simple answers. But one fact is undeniable; violence continues to breed more of the same. Israel is abusing its power continuously with the constant claim that they are fighting terrorists. But for the most part, I see them fighting and killing civilians and innocent women and children. Now, please people who are reading this posting, understand that I really DO support the existence of the State of Israel. However, I also happen to believe the Palestinians are entitled to a home land and both sides at this point are working counter to those goals. Israel is overall, the far stronger power, and they must use their power in a morally responsible manner. Before you blow up a home or neighbourhood because you THINK it might be an area where suspected terrorists are located, do some intelligence work and make sure you got it right. Going after actual terrorists is certainly understandable and correct. But all too often, entire neighbourhoods and people are destroyed on suspicions with no proof ever offered before or after. The Palestinian authority must also take aggressive action against terrorism and suicide bombers, but refusing to talk to each other ain't gonna accomplish mutual cooperation. Both sides can find reasons to continue fighting and come up with rationales as to why they are right. But the bottom line is the Palestinian leaders are being ineffective and the Israeli government is acting like bullies. New leadership is needed on both sides of the equation. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Defending the Truth discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEBMASTER Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 1:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RHETORIC] FOLLOW UP: SECURITY FENCE |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, G. Waleed Kavalec wrote: > > > IDF and military not the same as wanton terrorists who sneak in > > houses and kill children and women > > > No, your military bastards blow the whole house up. I agree with you. There is no excuse for this. It is a horrible policy and everyone should object to it. Those of you who are as incensed as I am over needless killing, should continue to speak against these practices. Anyone who considers valid criticism is disingenuous. The progressive position is clear. By criticizing murder does not imply someone is antisemitic or anti-Islam if suicide bombers are also criticized, but it not unreasonable to see the connection - that the one motivates the other and the cycle goes on unabated. It must stop. By they way, what name should we use for you? Do you have a nickname or something besides calling you G? 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