On9/9/04 10:18 PM, donnella whitacre spake thusly:
> there is no redemption? hank we are here. it isn't much but it is hope. there
> are many people all over who care, just as passionately as you do. their
> individual lives just as yours are a testimony to the power of humanity.
> i guess that isn't much but it is all we have.
> we are small lights, but there isn't complete darkness just yet.
>
>
> CHAI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Scott wrote:
>
>> Hank,
>>
>> Not to pick a nit, but the quote below attributed to Donnella was
>> actually posted by me. That being said, the article at the Wiki was
>> extremely disturbing, not only with the graphic descriptions of the
>> atrocities _we_ (in the U.S.) committed, but also in the fact that the
>> lessons learned from Viet Nam by our government are not that we
>> shouldn't commit these actions, but that we simply prevent them from
>> being reported.
>>
>> I am quickly losing any hope for humanity's redemption.
>
>
> I don't have that hope. I remember Kerry's testimony and I remember how we
> in the peace movement thought we could change the world but many of us
> also knew it would not be with capitalism which had already failed us. I
> dropped out in 79 and moved to New England to live self-sufficiently on
> some land up there. Eventually I came back but nothing changed and I would
> let them change me. There is no redemption because there is no humanity.
>
> There are too many examples, but just look what they just did to social
> security (saying it is the law - bull! - Then why did they put a cap on
> cost of living increases for social security?) and if Bush gets his way it
> will be privatized/destroyed, as much as Clinton killed welfare and the
> poor who couldn't find jobs were worse off. Look what they did with
> medical care. I could get better care in St Kitts than I can get in
> Florida. My son who is disabled might lose a leg because you can't find
> doctors who treat correctly if they can't pay. My son has cerebral palsy
> and is a medicaid patient. If I pay for his care I'll also be standing in
> a soup kitchen line for food because there is no socialism in this
> GREAT(?) country and we can no longer afford decent care. Iraq had better
> medical care before American presidents (Republican and Democratic)
> sanctioned them and kept them from getting medicines, and other
> necessities. There is NO REDEMPTION. Society has advanced technologically
> but not spiritually nor in any kind of human way.
>
>
> Hank
>
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You gotta cop to what you do once youčre past the age of adulthood. These
people have horrendous pasts (worse than any previous administration, on an
aggregate level?), and theyčre trying to deny all of it, as if being reborn
is all it takes to absolve you of your responsibility. At least if youčre
going to be reborn, you should act like it, i.e. be more of a Christian, not
just say youčre a Christian.
Herečs what I think we should do: arrest them all as enemy combatants and
hold them without representation until we can come up with something to
charge them with say four years. That way, even if they win the election
theyčll be powerless to bungle things up any worse than they already have.
rowland
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