But of course I do! Answering the request for fuel is not the same as saying my car runs on it, yes? Tom is trying to think his position through intelligently. The Fowler read is a good one.
Cheers, Berryl On Aug 2, 5:07 pm, Tim Barcz <[email protected]> wrote: > Seems to me you guys are lacking any integration tests...true? > > > > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Tom Whittaker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I have a development manager who wants us to mock almost every single > > component our software change interacts with because he insists that > > we are suppose to completely isolate our unit test from other > > components, which is what he calls a unit test. > > > We keep telling him that is not how to write unit tests, but he is the > > manager, and so we've been doing it this way. > > > For example, I agree with the following web page's "Reasons for use" > > of mocks. > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_object > > > Does anyone have the argument that supports the extreme position our > > manager is taking? Or better yet, a good book or paper that argues > > against this extreme? > > > From what I've been seeing, it has created poorer quality software > > because we are actually not finding bugs that use our real databases > > and external web services until very late in the process. We just had > > a feature freeze date, and we found a few major problems that day > > largely because everyone was using mocks, and the mocked systems did > > not behave the way our mocks did, and the higher level functional > > tests created by QA missed a few things that a normal unit test would > > of caught had we not been using mocks for everything. > > -- > Tim Barcz > ASPInsiderhttp://timbarcz.devlicio.ushttp://www.twitter.com/timbarcz --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Rhino.Mocks" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/RhinoMocks?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
