On 15 Jul 2017, at 01:29, Alexander Sicular <sicul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not dancing on anyone's grave. Im a big fan of Riak, you know? I'm just > pointing out that there is in fact a grave and if there is any hope for a > Riak future the project will have to rebrand. This is the thing we disagree on. But like I said before, neither of us is a lawyer, and even if you’re right, it hardly matters. It’s inconsequential. > > I'm sorry, but no company in their right mind would seriously consider using > Riak today if they weren't already using Riak. That's today, the story may > change tomorrow. Again, I disagree, but I’m personally not that interested in looking for new Riak users at the moment. I think now is the time to shore up the existing customers who want to stay with Riak. Chasing non-existent new business whilst ignoring the core users is a large part of what did for Basho. > > >> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Russell Brown <russell.br...@mac.com> wrote: >> >>> On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:36, Dave King <djk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> You asked what difference the tm made. The tm invokes clause 6. So yes it >>> means moving forward means a new name. That's one of the things to be >>> considered. >> >> Agree, so if we’re sticking to the subject, “Is Riak dead?” the worst case >> is: “No, but potentially the name could be some time in the future”, right? >> >> I asked rhetorically what difference the TM made. I’ve also read the >> license, and taken legal advice. This was not in any way a surprise. >> >>> >>> - Peace >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Russell Brown <russell.br...@mac.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:28, Dave King <djk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> No, but I can read. >>> >>> I read it too. I’m not sure what your point is. A day may come when the >>> name has to change? >>> >>>> >>>> - Peace >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Russell Brown <russell.br...@mac.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:26, Dave King <djk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> 6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade >>>>> names, trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor, >>>>> except as required for reasonable and customary use in describing the >>>>> origin of the Work and reproducing the content of the NOTICE file. >>>>> >>>>> So At minimum I read that as there would need to be a new product name, >>>>> and the docs for that product could say formerly known as Riak. >>>> >>>> You are lawyer? >>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Peace >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Russell Brown <russell.br...@mac.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:17, Dave King <djk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak. >>>>>> http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html >>>>> >>>>> They sure do. And if you look at the Apache2 license you’ll see that it >>>>> grants use of the name to identify the source. >>>>> >>>>> Look, I’m not a lawyer, and I’m guessing you’re not a lawyer. What >>>>> difference does the name or trademark make? There are a bunch of active >>>>> users of Riak, some of whom have made it clear they plan to continue >>>>> using it. Dance on Basho’s grave all you want, but Riak isn’t dead yet. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - Peace >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular <sicul...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown <russell.br...@mac.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed >>>>>>> open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that >>>>>>> apache 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD. >>>>>> >>>>>> You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally encumbered >>>>>> at some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put that >>>>>> beyond the clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> riak-users mailing list >>>>>> riak-users@lists.basho.com >>>>>> http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com > _______________________________________________ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
