Thank you, Nicolae,

A Williamson-Hall plot shows different positive slopes for lines along
200,400 and 111,222. They intersect close to d*=0 so as I understand it
this means that there is an effect of anisotropic strain, but the size
effect is isotropic, right?

I was not aware of your paper on the subject on anisotropic broadening,
but found it very illuminating.

regards,

Jens

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicolae Popa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 24. august 2004 11:06
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Anisotropic line broadening in cubic material
> 
> 
> Dear Jens,
> 
> Peter Sthephens is right, try first to see if you have an 
> anisotropic strain effect. But if not, it doesn't mean that 
> you have not a simple size effect, not necessarily staking 
> faults. The size anisotropy model in GSAS is in fact the rod 
> (or plate) model (I wonder why the needles model was not 
> introduced - sin(phi) in place of cos(phi)) and you have to 
> give apriori the "broadening axis". For non cubic is easy to 
> guess because frequently is the n-fold axis (n=2,3,4,6) and 
> the average over equivalents has no effect. But as Peter said 
> the guess is ambiguous for cubic (and not only). Nevertheless 
> you have an approach for size anisotropy that needs no 
> apriori information (except the Laue group), the spherical 
> harmonics approach. For details see the same (J. Appl. Cryst. 
> 31, 176 (1998)). In spite of some skeptical opinions (not 
> clearly argued) the approach is enough robust and you can 
> expect to obtain accurate volume averaged column length as 
> function of direction.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Nicolae Popa
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > Jens,
> >
> > Your effect might be more related to strain than size 
> broadening.  You 
> > would have to check widths at various diffraction orders in a given 
> > direction (i.e., 111, 222, 333, etc., vs 200, 400, 600, etc. for an 
> > fcc material).  If the widths increase roughly in proportion to 
> > diffraction order, but with a different slope for the two 
> directions, 
> > you have anisotropic strain broadening.
> >
> > This was noted by Stokes and Wilson (Proc. Phys. Soc. London 56, 
> > 174-181
> > (1944)) in cold-worked fcc metals, who had a model as a random
> distribution
> > of stresses.  N. Popa and I have independently considered 
> the effect 
> > more recently from a phenomenological viewpoint (J. Appl. 
> Cryst. 31, 
> > 176 (1998) and ibid 32, 281 (1999), respectively).  And there is a 
> > growing
> literature,
> > especially from the group of Tamas Ungar, on the effect of specific
> lattice
> > defects on strain-broadening in diffraction patterns.
> >
> > Regarding your use of the anisotropic size broadening model 
> in GSAS, 
> > as
> you
> > point out, "broadening axis" for a cubic material is a rather iffy
> concept.
> > If my understanding is correct, GSAS does not do the full symmetry 
> > equivalents in that calculation, and so it's a matter of 
> luck how the 
> > calculation will be done.  That is, if you list a (111) broadening 
> > axis, and the reflection list contains (111), you'll get 
> one answer, 
> > but if you list (-1 1 1) broadening axis, the (111) 
> reflection will be 
> > calculated differently.
> >
> > -Peter
> >
> > ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
> > Peter W. Stephens, Professor
> > Department of Physics & Astronomy
> > State University of New York
> > Stony Brook, NY 11794-3800
> >
> 
> 
> 

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