Great work on the quick reference. Always happy to see anything to help me sell RIFE to people. As for the examples, I agree any "variants" should go in a sub-section. I also agree that the template syntaxes need to be referenced at the beginning of the tutorial (since not all of the Wiki or Documents have been moved to a single syntax yet). However, there was some discussion on #RIFE and as I understood it the <r:? name="name"> syntax would become the defacto standard for examples. I'd like to propose that this be used as the standard for the quick reference, since it seems to be the "best" option for new users and wicket migrators.
Cheers, Tyler On 7/14/06, Stefan Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hey again, (Attention: Do not attempt to read this post, unless you are in possession of *one* of the following: a sense of humor, too much time or good control over your emotions.) > I just wanted to add to this that your timing is excellent. Today, > theserverside.com will publish a TechTalk with me about RIFE. So there > will certainly be more people checking the framework out. Your > reference will help them to get up and running more easily. Yeah, that reminds me of something I wanted to add, too. Basically my train of thought was like this: RIFE is great, how can I make it even better. *long pause* ... *go get something to eat* ... *another pause* ... *play tictactoe with my nephew who doesn't know yet that there is a way to never do worse than a draw* ... you get the idea. Eventually I thought, well if there is nothing I can improve about the core code right now, I can still make the framework better by getting more people to use RIFE. However, for those people to stick to RIFE like flies to those sticky tapes you hang up and the only thing that they catch is dust or your f***ing eyelid, which still hurts like a bi*** even today. Anyway, I figured that first we would have to make the familiarization process even easier for new users. And after another period of thinking about what can be improved about the documentation on a structural level I came up with the idea for a Quick Reference. Therefore the fact that there will be a bunch of curious new potential users today plays right into my evil plan to make RIFE better than anything else. Muhahaha. ;) In short: *You* rock! :P I'm out, Stefan :) PS: Yes, some people have suggested I take on a different job, something like comedian or journalist. Basically I think they just don't want me to operate anything that carries some kind of responsibility. But, you know, programming pays better. Hehe, just kidding. ;) > On 14 Jul 2006, at 08:15, Geert Bevin wrote: > >> Hi Stefan, >> >> welcome back from your holiday, I hope you had a nice time! This >> really is an awesome initiative and I'm sure that it will be >> extremely handy as a reference to all the other RIFE users. I'll be >> reading over it once in a while to rephrase or correct when it's needed. >> >> Something to consider too is the inclusion of the variants of all the >> examples (since it's a reference). So for the element and site >> declarations, we could also add an example with Java builders, with >> annotations, with groovy, alongside the XML declaration. For template >> snippets, we could add all the tag variants. For element >> implementations, do service locator and IoC, ... >> >> Anyway, in short: you rock! :-) >> >> Take care, >> >> Geert >> >> On 14 Jul 2006, at 01:42, Stefan Thomas wrote: >> >>> Hey guys, >>> >>> First of all: Sorry for the delay. Basically I wanted to start this >>> before my vacation, but it just didn't work out. But now I have >>> finally found the time to go for it. >>> >>> Now if you're asking yourself: What the **** is he talking about? - >>> Well, there was a conversation here on this list about RIFE's >>> documentation and how it misses a quick structured manual for just >>> looking things up. I promised to go ahead and get something going. >>> >>> I hereby present to you.... *drumroll* ... RIFE's new Quick Reference: >>> >>> >> http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Quick+Reference << >>> >>> *applause* ;) >>> >>> I think it's a solid foundation to build on. I'm pretty tired right >>> now, so it's not really the best quality yet, but hey, it's a Wiki. >>> Improve it. Extend it. Add new things. Whatever you want. >>> >>> Hopefully I will have some time tomorrow, too, to write some more >>> sections. But the basic idea/format should come across if you take a >>> look at the sections about Element Definition and Site Structure. >>> What I'm trying to do with this is create a *repository of short, >>> straightforward examples which are ordered by topic and explained*. >>> So anyone who forgot the exact syntax for a submission bean can look >>> it up without having to search the Cookbook, the Live Users Guide, >>> the Tips and Tricks, etc or look through the mailing list. >>> >>> At some point in the future the reference should also aim for >>> completeness. I think it's a lot easier for those who develop to >>> write a short example + explanation about a small new feature in the >>> reference than to demonstrate it in a tutorial. Tutorials are great >>> to get your foot into the door in a new topic, but eventually you >>> just want to know the one precise piece of information that you are >>> looking for and get back to work. That's when you need a reference. >>> >>> So now, take a look, give me your feedback, start working on it, >>> whatever you want and lets see whether this develops into something >>> useful. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Stefan :) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rife-users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users >>> >> >> -- >> Geert Bevin >> Uwyn "Use what you need" - http://uwyn.com >> RIFE Java application framework - http://rifers.org >> Music and words - http://gbevin.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rife-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users >> > > -- > Geert Bevin > Uwyn "Use what you need" - http://uwyn.com > RIFE Java application framework - http://rifers.org > Music and words - http://gbevin.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rife-users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users > _______________________________________________ Rife-users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
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